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Post by sportsjock on Jul 10, 2017 8:08:21 GMT -5
If you want to play local teams then you need to field a team opponents think they can beat. Everyone wants to play a team they think they can beat. Willard wants to play local teams so they turned their football team into a sack of bones. The football team has no life and now super local Plymouth schedules Willard and beats the sack of bones known as the football team yearly. Plymouth wanted nothing to do with Willard a quarter of a century ago, but Willard played its cards right and can now schedule any local team it wants, including Plymouth. Bellevue is really good so they need to play Regionally if they want to play teams their size, or they need to pull up their big boy pants and play Fremont Ross, Lorain, Elyria, or other larger local schools. Bellevue is too good, they played their cards wrong to schedule locally.Sorry, such is the nature of sports and life in general. Without challenges of playing opponents of excellence, then you are doomed to mediocrity. Some are comfortable with that and that's their prerogative. I guess for some, rising to the occasion, or rising to the challenge is no longer in the conversation.......very sad. Don't disagree with your last two sentences.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 9:52:21 GMT -5
Plan on going to the Bellevue-CCC game. Does CCC bring much back from their state title team?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 12:54:22 GMT -5
CCC was young last year but it when bellevue plays them might be a deciding factor as well. CCC always has kids transfer and sit out but play towards end of season. Should be a good battle.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 10, 2017 15:31:18 GMT -5
Well, if Bellevue stopped stacking their football program with athletes by not allowing other sports (soccer).... maybe other schools would be more open to cross-over games with them? Uh, football has been an integral part of high school sports since the early 1900's, soccer is an imported sport and not been a part of the high school sports scene, till most recently. Your argument is against proven success, so you think Bellevue would be better served by diluting it's football program, to gain more crossover games?.....huh? Soccer has been played at little Ontario for over 40 years. From my experience watching Ontario's soccer and football over those years. The only "diluting" that soccer does to a football program is reducing the number of kids standing on the sidelines of a football game that never play in games. Over those years I NEVER saw an O-lineman or D-lineman playing soccer. I can remember ONE soccer player that would have made a very good LB or DE. ONE soccer player that had the physical qualities to be a good QB. ONE that would have been a heck of a RB. A couple that would have made good DBs or WRs. So that's 6 or 7 athletes in 40 years that could have made a difference on a football team. What I do not know is if their mommy's would allow them to play football or if they like to "hit or be hit". What I do know is that the vast number of athletes that could be a good QB, RB, or WR would much rather play on Friday nights in front of 2000 fans instead of a Wednesday afternoon in front of 200 fans.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jul 10, 2017 16:59:51 GMT -5
CCC was young last year but it when bellevue plays them might be a deciding factor as well. CCC always has kids transfer and sit out but play towards end of season. Should be a good battle. The Bellevue-CCC game is week 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:58:06 GMT -5
So if CCC does in fact have a lot coming back they are probably the fav? Realize injuries and what not can happening between now and the game
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Post by gridiron58 on Jul 10, 2017 20:43:37 GMT -5
Well, if Bellevue stopped stacking their football program with athletes by not allowing other sports (soccer).... maybe other schools would be more open to cross-over games with them? Uh, football has been an integral part of high school sports since the early 1900's, soccer is an imported sport and not been a part of the high school sports scene, till most recently. Your argument is against proven success, so you think Bellevue would be better served by diluting it's football program, to gain more crossover games?.....huh? I don't care if they play crossover games or not. I'm just tired of Redmen fans complaining that schools refuse to play voluntary cross over games while Bellevue refuses to compete in all major sports that the other schools their size compete in. I was just making the point that the other schools are aware of that advantage. I think the STUDENTS at Bellevue would be better served by having the choice.... isn't that what High School sports should be about anyway... the students?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 21:35:01 GMT -5
Uh, football has been an integral part of high school sports since the early 1900's, soccer is an imported sport and not been a part of the high school sports scene, till most recently. Your argument is against proven success, so you think Bellevue would be better served by diluting it's football program, to gain more crossover games?.....huh? I don't care if they play crossover games or not. I'm just tired of Redmen fans complaining that schools refuse to play voluntary cross over games while Bellevue refuses to compete in all major sports that the other schools their size compete in. I was just making the point that the other schools are aware of that advantage. I think the STUDENTS at Bellevue would be better served by having the choice.... isn't that what High School sports should be about anyway... the students? A) this is first freaking year of this conference. Schedules aren't easy to make B) Bellevue has Cross Country and Golf C) there has to be an interest in starting a program D) Columbian and Shelby don't have Soccer either
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 21:43:29 GMT -5
Uh, football has been an integral part of high school sports since the early 1900's, soccer is an imported sport and not been a part of the high school sports scene, till most recently. Your argument is against proven success, so you think Bellevue would be better served by diluting it's football program, to gain more crossover games?.....huh? I don't care if they play crossover games or not. I'm just tired of Redmen fans complaining that schools refuse to play voluntary cross over games while Bellevue refuses to compete in all major sports that the other schools their size compete in. I was just making the point that the other schools are aware of that advantage. I think the STUDENTS at Bellevue would be better served by having the choice.... isn't that what High School sports should be about anyway... the students? I read that ccc lost 10 starters on d so that might be an issue. They do have many pieces on offense coming back but there defense won them the championship last year.
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Post by smitty1974 on Jul 10, 2017 21:50:55 GMT -5
im a 1974 edison graduate and i like to see the redmen knock off ccc.
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 10, 2017 21:54:30 GMT -5
I don't care if they play crossover games or not. I'm just tired of Redmen fans complaining that schools refuse to play voluntary cross over games while Bellevue refuses to compete in all major sports that the other schools their size compete in. I was just making the point that the other schools are aware of that advantage. I think the STUDENTS at Bellevue would be better served by having the choice.... isn't that what High School sports should be about anyway... the students? A) this is first freaking year of this conference. Schedules aren't easy to make B) Bellevue has Cross Country and Golf C) there has to be an interest in starting a program D) Columbian and Shelby don't have Soccer either When Fostoria was a perennial powerhouse in football, there was plans to install two soccer fields and initiate a soccer program. Coach Dick Kidwell got wind of it and quickly asserted his influence and persuasion to scuttle any such notion. The word 'soccer' was never uttered there after. Football is the revenue sport that essentially pays for the non-revenue sports, and soccer is among the non-revenue sports. (BB is self-sustaining at most schools)
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Post by gridiron58 on Jul 10, 2017 21:59:52 GMT -5
I don't care if they play crossover games or not. I'm just tired of Redmen fans complaining that schools refuse to play voluntary cross over games while Bellevue refuses to compete in all major sports that the other schools their size compete in. I was just making the point that the other schools are aware of that advantage. I think the STUDENTS at Bellevue would be better served by having the choice.... isn't that what High School sports should be about anyway... the students? A) this is first freaking year of this conference. Schedules aren't easy to make B) Bellevue has Cross Country and Golf C) there has to be an interest in starting a program D) Columbian and Shelby don't have Soccer either A) Never said they were. B) So what... so does everyone else on top of soccer. C) There IS interest and has been for some time. The AD and FB coach will not allow it. D) Columbian DOES have soccer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 22:54:20 GMT -5
I don't care if they play crossover games or not. I'm just tired of Redmen fans complaining that schools refuse to play voluntary cross over games while Bellevue refuses to compete in all major sports that the other schools their size compete in. I was just making the point that the other schools are aware of that advantage. I think the STUDENTS at Bellevue would be better served by having the choice.... isn't that what High School sports should be about anyway... the students? A) this is first freaking year of this conference. Schedules aren't easy to make B) Bellevue has Cross Country and Golf C) there has to be an interest in starting a program D) Columbian and Shelby don't have Soccer either Columbian has boys and girls soccer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 22:56:41 GMT -5
A) this is first freaking year of this conference. Schedules aren't easy to make B) Bellevue has Cross Country and Golf C) there has to be an interest in starting a program D) Columbian and Shelby don't have Soccer either When Fostoria was a perennial powerhouse in football, there was plans to install two soccer fields and initiate a soccer program. Coach Dick Kidwell got wind of it and quickly asserted his influence and persuasion to scuttle any such notion. The word 'soccer' was never uttered there after. Football is the revenue sport that essentially pays for the non-revenue sports, and soccer is among the non-revenue sports. (BB is self-sustaining at most schools) Soccer is a revenue sport that would cover itself. It may not generate a large amount but the program expenses are low.
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 11, 2017 0:08:12 GMT -5
When Fostoria was a perennial powerhouse in football, there was plans to install two soccer fields and initiate a soccer program. Coach Dick Kidwell got wind of it and quickly asserted his influence and persuasion to scuttle any such notion. The word 'soccer' was never uttered there after. Football is the revenue sport that essentially pays for the non-revenue sports, and soccer is among the non-revenue sports. (BB is self-sustaining at most schools) Soccer is a revenue sport that would cover itself. It may not generate a large amount but the program expenses are low. BB & FB are revenue sports, transportation is the main expense for all other sports, depending on school situations. Please don't misunderstand me, no intention to knock soccer. I've had family members play the sport and even coached it a couple years myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 0:21:32 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying with FB and BB but other sports do generate revenue to cover themselves. Soccer is one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 6:56:26 GMT -5
A) this is first freaking year of this conference. Schedules aren't easy to make B) Bellevue has Cross Country and Golf C) there has to be an interest in starting a program D) Columbian and Shelby don't have Soccer either A) Never said they were. B) So what... so does everyone else on top of soccer. C) There IS interest and has been for some time. The AD and FB coach will not allow it. D) Columbian DOES have soccer. Well crap. Columbian having soccer changes my whole prospective. I now think Bellevue should have soccer. Yes, that's sarcasm. Btw, it was just one guy that was complaining about the lack of cross-over games for Bellevue. Don't let one guy speak for an entire community. I like the schedule
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 11, 2017 7:57:09 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying with FB and BB but other sports do generate revenue to cover themselves. Soccer is one of them. Ideally that is the case, depending on fan support.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jul 11, 2017 8:02:41 GMT -5
Btw, it was just one guy that was complaining about the lack of cross-over games for Bellevue. Don't let one guy speak for an entire community. I like the schedule This. Annoying that this topic keeps coming up on here due to one fan that just won't let it go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 9:01:14 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying with FB and BB but other sports do generate revenue to cover themselves. Soccer is one of them. Ideally that is the case, depending on fan support. As I said it doesn't take much. With 35-40 kids on jv/varsity rosters the family attendance alone can almost support. Toss in a few player's friends, family friends and the opposing team and very easily you have 200+ at a game buying tickets.
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Post by DrugMart on Jul 11, 2017 12:47:07 GMT -5
A) Never said they were. B) So what... so does everyone else on top of soccer. C) There IS interest and has been for some time. The AD and FB coach will not allow it. D) Columbian DOES have soccer. Well crap. Columbian having soccer changes my whole prospective. I now think Bellevue should have soccer. Yes, that's sarcasm. Btw, it was just one guy that was complaining about the lack of cross-over games for Bellevue. Don't let one guy speak for an entire community. I like the schedule Willard has soccer, too. Willard's soccer program has more wins in the last 2 years than the football team has in the last decade. Willard soccer is only 3 years old, and it's stock is rising. The soccer players in town are just now becoming aware of Willard sports, up until a few years ago the soccer contingent had little school pride, they all felt left out. Now that they know they can grow up and play soccer for Willard High things will get interesting in about 3+ years. For years they had no opportunity as the HS didn't provide them with the only sport they truly liked. Now they can practice hard at 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 knowing it can pay off with a college scholarship down the road. Get ready, all aboard the Willard Soccer train.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 14:08:26 GMT -5
Well crap. Columbian having soccer changes my whole prospective. I now think Bellevue should have soccer. Yes, that's sarcasm. Btw, it was just one guy that was complaining about the lack of cross-over games for Bellevue. Don't let one guy speak for an entire community. I like the schedule Willard has soccer, too. Willard's soccer program has more wins in the last 2 years than the football team has in the last decade. Willard soccer is only 3 years old, and it's stock is rising. The soccer players in town are just now becoming aware of Willard sports, up until a few years ago the soccer contingent had little school pride, they all felt left out. Now that they know they can grow up and play soccer for Willard High things will get interesting in about 3+ years. For years they had no opportunity as the HS didn't provide them with the only sport they truly liked. Now they can practice hard at 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 knowing it can pay off with a college scholarship down the road. Get ready, all aboard the Willard Soccer train. That's great. Has absolutely nothing to do with what we are taking about. 95% of Willard's soccer players are Hispanic and have no interest in football
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 5:41:43 GMT -5
Willard has soccer, too. Willard's soccer program has more wins in the last 2 years than the football team has in the last decade. Willard soccer is only 3 years old, and it's stock is rising. The soccer players in town are just now becoming aware of Willard sports, up until a few years ago the soccer contingent had little school pride, they all felt left out. Now that they know they can grow up and play soccer for Willard High things will get interesting in about 3+ years. For years they had no opportunity as the HS didn't provide them with the only sport they truly liked. Now they can practice hard at 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 knowing it can pay off with a college scholarship down the road. Get ready, all aboard the Willard Soccer train. That's great. Has absolutely nothing to do with what we are taking about. 95% of Willard's soccer players are Hispanic and have no interest in football And the makeup of Willards team is important why?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 7:07:32 GMT -5
That's great. Has absolutely nothing to do with what we are taking about. 95% of Willard's soccer players are Hispanic and have no interest in football And the makeup of Willards team is important why? How many Hispanic kids do you see playing football?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 7:15:23 GMT -5
They wear helmets so I would have to ask them. Point is it has no connection to offering the sport at a school. Do you know heritage of Sandusky's soccer team, or Tiffin and Norwalk's?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 9:25:54 GMT -5
They wear helmets so I would have to ask them. Point is it has no connection to offering the sport at a school. Do you know heritage of Sandusky's soccer team, or Tiffin and Norwalk's? Actually had a lot to do with Willard's soccer program starting. And try reading the program. Usually pretty easy to figure out if someone is Hispanic or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 9:33:12 GMT -5
They wear helmets so I would have to ask them. Point is it has no connection to offering the sport at a school. Do you know heritage of Sandusky's soccer team, or Tiffin and Norwalk's? Actually had a lot to do with Willard's soccer program starting. And try reading the program. Usually pretty easy to figure out if someone is Hispanic or not. So if I met a guy named Anthony Munoz I could assume he played soccer?
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Post by greenman on Jul 12, 2017 19:52:20 GMT -5
DrugMart: " Get ready, all aboard the Willard Soccer train."DrugFart is back with more hot gas.
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Post by footballfan on Jul 13, 2017 6:22:16 GMT -5
If you want to play local teams then you need to field a team opponents think they can beat. Everyone wants to play a team they think they can beat. Willard wants to play local teams so they turned their football team into a sack of bones. The football team has no life and now super local Plymouth schedules Willard and beats the sack of bones known as the football team yearly. Plymouth wanted nothing to do with Willard a quarter of a century ago, but Willard played its cards right and can now schedule any local team it wants, including Plymouth. Bellevue is really good so they need to play Regionally if they want to play teams their size, or they need to pull up their big boy pants and play Fremont Ross, Lorain, Elyria, or other larger local schools. Bellevue is too good, they played their cards wrong to schedule locally. Larger schools? Kind of like they play 6 schools already that are division 3 which are bigger schools. I have not checked but I would bet there is not another school in the SBC that plays 6 schools in regular season that are bigger then them! So their is your big boy pants.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 9:16:51 GMT -5
If you want to play local teams then you need to field a team opponents think they can beat. Everyone wants to play a team they think they can beat. Willard wants to play local teams so they turned their football team into a sack of bones. The football team has no life and now super local Plymouth schedules Willard and beats the sack of bones known as the football team yearly. Plymouth wanted nothing to do with Willard a quarter of a century ago, but Willard played its cards right and can now schedule any local team it wants, including Plymouth. Bellevue is really good so they need to play Regionally if they want to play teams their size, or they need to pull up their big boy pants and play Fremont Ross, Lorain, Elyria, or other larger local schools. Bellevue is too good, they played their cards wrong to schedule locally. Larger schools? Kind of like they play 6 schools already that are division 3 which are bigger schools. I have not checked but I would bet there is not another school in the SBC that plays 6 schools in regular season that are bigger then them! So their is your big boy pants. Bellevue schedule is tough.
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