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Post by greenman on Oct 26, 2017 21:12:35 GMT -5
Fox'll show restraint, but I doubt it'll have as much to do with civic affections as some seem to think. Why risk it against Willard and step on the gas?
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Post by greenman on Oct 26, 2017 21:06:27 GMT -5
I'm a little skeptical about SP, although I don't believe their playoffs this year will be one-and-done. FC has been weaker than normal this year, IMO. SP was the only team to sweep its OoC games (obviously), and only M'ville and SC came out of those first three weeks with only one loss. The rest got dumped on, and by some weak teams themselves.
But I've been wrong before, God and you all know.
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Post by greenman on Oct 23, 2017 22:11:12 GMT -5
SE Clyde Norwalk Sandusky Edison OH Shelby Calvert Lakota SMCC
48 pts.
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Post by greenman on Oct 23, 2017 22:04:53 GMT -5
St. Paul Mapleton Crestview SC
St. I. for the upset - Go Cats! Travelled up and snagged two tix for this one.
LB Central Catholic Archbold St. Mary's Mem. Clyde Edison Eastwood SE Lakota Coldwater Anna AW Ashland CF Winton Woods
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Post by greenman on Oct 23, 2017 21:57:40 GMT -5
Oct 23, 2017 7:44:05 GMT -4 JohnStudd said: They have a pretty good staff. Please stop complaining about the guys they have. Pooch, Graventhorst, Raifsnider, and Hofacker. Some schools would be begging for a staff like that (Perkins, OH, Lakota, Willard, etc) Give me a break. Seems like people are sour cause they didn't get hired for a job at Margaretta. Willard would have to pass! The community is very happy with Coach Devier and his staff. He has the program headed in the right direction. You really think Perkins wants Pooch and Gravenhorst? One bad year @ Perkins vs. a Margaretta program that just two years ago was highlighted in a three-part article on how they were nearing the brink? Good Lord.
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Post by greenman on Oct 23, 2017 15:55:23 GMT -5
Grit your teeth and bear it, Pirates fans, and remember that this is only one year out of many to come in this rivalry.
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Post by greenman on Oct 21, 2017 23:19:14 GMT -5
![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Drew Pasteur's site says Willard has played the 42nd toughest schedule out of 104 D5 schools (top half). I'm sorry you think Willard should be playing the same schedule as Port Clinton a school way bigger than my Flashes. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember Port Clinton playing in a Conference called the Sandusky Bay Conference against Calvert, SMCC, St Joe and Margaretta in the 1980's? Pot meet Kettle. As was said by gridiron. Each of those four schools were drastically bigger than they are now. Margaretta and SMCC especially. In addition to that both SJCC and Calvert were essentially thrown out to make way for Oak Harbor and Edison. Never understood why the league chose to admit Edison back in the day. Always felt they were a better fit for the FC - though probably not now. And of course, there's Crestview far, far away in Olivesburg to make up for that loss. At least Mapleton got in near the ground floor.
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Post by greenman on Oct 21, 2017 23:12:07 GMT -5
They're a year early! next year when they drop norwalk, huron and have a complete 8 game league schedule adding horrible danbury and gibsonburg they will win 8 games. 8 wins for Margaretta next year is pretty optimistic. Between Calvert, Seneca East, Gibsonburg, Western Reserve, Monroeville & Lakota I see an easy 4 loses. I believe Western will handle them next year, as will Calvert and SE. Monroeville game was sloppy on both sides, and the Eagles knew it; had several starters out. Tche Leroux as a senior may be more than Bears can handle, provided he gets some blocking. I'm thinking leaner times are ahead for Margaretta before good times return, but thankfully not for very long.
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Post by greenman on Oct 21, 2017 23:03:45 GMT -5
Poor SMCC..........that program has sure gone downhill. Sad to say, but if they can't get some more kids involved, they should just do away with football at the school. That's the reason they left the SBC for the SRL in the first place, in hopes to be in a league with schools their size so that football, of all sports, could survive. How Wikel remains Captain of the Titanic is a mystery to me. He's 23-53; take out 2014 and 2015 campaigns and he's 11-44, more than half his wins falling in a two-year span out of 7. At this point, though, I figure it's less a question of "who else can do the job," and more "who else wants the job." Fun fact: Current Perkins HC Ziegler held the job for one season in between Notestine and Wikel; went 1-9.
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Post by greenman on Oct 21, 2017 5:16:43 GMT -5
He should not only be discipline for BAD ACTING but he should have also been flagged for being on the field. Franklin being Franklin. Also, I may have been mistaken about him not shaking hands with Perkins after the 2009 mtg. @ Strobel - 8 years is a long time - but I do remember him refusing to talk to the Register postgame, which ****** people off.
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Post by greenman on Oct 20, 2017 13:35:28 GMT -5
tommygunn...find a woman (or a man whatever your into)...maybe you wont be so damn negative in ALL your posts! In all honesty, how do you have a breakout game in week 9? How does anyone? What are you breaking out of?
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Post by greenman on Oct 20, 2017 13:33:46 GMT -5
If Shelby doesn't win the state contest, can we come back to this? What's with the bitterness, redskin04? Birdman and I have been arguing since the days of JJhuddle. It is what it is. I see. Carry on.
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Post by greenman on Oct 20, 2017 13:33:20 GMT -5
Actually Tony Legando made the Huron program well known around the Buckeye state. I have relatives down by wheelersburg who know about Huron and its program. People know that are football fans. Are they Saint Iggy? no! But, over the course of years, its an established program. The Weather Channel out of ATL must have thought enough about it. Did a "small town fball" program a year or two ago, and they were one of those picked to be featured.
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Post by greenman on Oct 19, 2017 13:29:27 GMT -5
Greenman, you were lucky in your playing days. When I played we had 1 1/2 to 2 hrs. of practice a day but we didn't have any meals served to us after practice let alone after games. If the other teams gave any thing for us to eat it was usually some cookies and they didn't give us any milk to wash those dry cookies down. We didn't get it after games, and we didn't feed other teams. That wasn't a thing in our neck of the woods. We were fed by our FB moms org.
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Post by greenman on Oct 18, 2017 13:35:24 GMT -5
RedskIn, you must have never seen the 1999 Perkins pirates. I saw them but I know that will matter little to you. Nothing short of Rock Farlow himself saying it is going to make you think otherwise. I get it though your a pirate through and through and that run took place when you were jr high age ish. What's your littlest brother up to these days? Shelby's better and the scary part is they have yet to play a game at full strength. If Shelby doesn't win the state contest, can we come back to this? What's with the bitterness, redskin04?
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Post by greenman on Oct 17, 2017 18:26:04 GMT -5
Apparently most of the Huron faithful have forgotten. Your home side stands are more than 1/2 empty every Friday night. The visitor's side usually has more people show up than the Tigers do. Doesn't speak well for "Tiger Pride". As to letting JV players play when the game is decided, that's completely a coach's decision. Some do, some don't. Never bothered me either way, and yes, I played. There home side is bigger than most teams home sides. That has nothing to do with their football tradition. I agree coach has the decision on who plays. I don't agree huron is overrated. Hell our stands at perkins are 3/4 empty. So we have the fair weather fan going on. I been to everyone of our games, its painful. But I am there. As for the topic. I think when the situation merits itself you should play every kid. Vermilion will get two more opportunites in the next two weeks to get those kids in. Shelby will be fun I am sure. When it comes to football, Tiger Pride does run much deeper than Pirate Pride. Back in the day - late '90s/early '00s - my mother (God rest her soul) would whoop it up at Pirate games with her clanging cowbell. The country club crowd around her would deign to give the Pirate gridders a golf clap for a good play, and that was it. It may not be all the CC crowd anymore, but the reaction, I guess, is similar. On a lighter note: She always had a laugh about the stink-eye she would get from people when she first started - she didn't care what they thought - but as those years went by, more and more people came to appreciate her screaming and that cowbell. She was an NSP alumna (pre-Livengood), and that's just what people there did, but the people at Perkins who appreciated the cowbell and the screaming acted as if they'd never seen or heard anyone bring a cowbell to a game before.
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Post by greenman on Oct 17, 2017 12:43:55 GMT -5
Its awful they have a country club atmosphere, practices are shortened to accommodate food I think they get fed in one way or another every day during the week priorities are so screwed up. Little film study and 50 min practices are a sure way to 2-3 wins when you dont have Turner. Heck Dump could've coached the Turner teams to the same record as that staff. 50 mins. a night for practice? We thought ourselves lucky if Farlow (@ Perkins) capped practice @ 1h45 - 2hs! We only got fed before the game, too.
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Post by greenman on Oct 16, 2017 20:00:04 GMT -5
Crestview Mapleton M'ville SP CF Wooster Calvert Eastwood Edison Huron
Sandusky Coldwater Marion Local PG Carey Elida
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Post by greenman on Oct 16, 2017 19:57:27 GMT -5
Have these 2 schools ever played before? I can't imagine that any kind of scheduling from even back in the olden days would somehow bring them together.
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Post by greenman on Oct 16, 2017 19:54:42 GMT -5
Clear Fork Clyde Perkins Sandusky Edison Huron Shelby Willard Lakota Calvert
Tiebreaker: 49
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Post by greenman on Oct 16, 2017 19:48:14 GMT -5
Is that Franklin? If so, that's a shame - I thought he learned his lesson about this sort of BS when he wouldn't shake hands w/ Perkins after the first Hometown Showdown against Perkins when he was shutout at Strobel. Blue Streak Nation took him to task for that.
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Post by greenman on Oct 16, 2017 5:32:59 GMT -5
IDK they had Sandusky in a pinch... If I'm not mistaken, Sandusky had 4-8 starters out due to behavior that week. And of course, Norwalk turned around and let Perkins have their own way the very next week.
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Post by greenman on Oct 14, 2017 21:09:30 GMT -5
That Catholic guilt must be a tough burden to bear. You act as though they are trying to "recruit" any student within their borders when we both know that they are only cherrypicking the best of the best. I don't care if they recruit. I don't even care if you want to be dishonest about why the parents are actually sending their kids there. All I want is a system where those schools are placed in a division that reflects the ACTUAL population base that they are drawing from. I think I may have read one part of your argument a little incorrectly, or maybe not. I'm not liking the public/private separation in playoffs, but more scrutiny by the OHSAA for purposes of competitive balance? Yeah, I agree with that.
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Post by greenman on Oct 14, 2017 8:57:23 GMT -5
That Catholic guilt must be a tough burden to bear. You act as though they are trying to "recruit" any student within their borders when we both know that they are only cherrypicking the best of the best. I don't care if they recruit. I don't even care if you want to be dishonest about why the parents are actually sending their kids there. All I want is a system where those schools are placed in a division that reflects the ACTUAL population base that they are drawing from. To pretend that NSP is actually a D7 program simply because of the number of kids that they allow in their building stretches any credibility. It's funny how many "private" school numbers always fluctuate depending on the cutoff between certain divisions. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though. As far as your public school rhetoric is concerned, the haves and the have nots choosing to distance themselves from each other in a public school environment is a far cry from a private school environment where the have nots have been virtually eliminated from the environment altogether. Private schools were around long before "freedom or religion" in public schools was ever an issue. It might have been the excuse given for many parents to send their kids there but it wasn't likely the main factor in the decision. I also agree that the funding for the schools needsa to be fixed. The Ohio Supreme court said as much years ago and the legislature ignored them. In you original post I assumed that we were talking about test scores and kids not being "challenged". I see we pivoted out of that since the argument didn't hold water. Now we are hiding behind religion, and when you start using words like "secular" and "sacred" I must assume you also mean evolution and creationism. Yeah, if you want bible stories and myths to be taught as though they are actual science then probably public education isn't your best option. I still have yet to meet one single person who feels as though they are being "coerced" to stay in the public school system. There are more options for them now than ever before. With the advent of digital academies there a re more kids being home schooled not fewer. I don't think that you realize just how easy it is to enroll in one of those. They will literally do all of the work for you to get you enrolled. Once you establish your school as having open enrollment you must take any student who applies in the order which they apply until you run out of room in the class. I think there might be some extenuating circumstances based on criminal records but based on some of the kids Galion has taken I'm not certain what those would be. Why would NSP be pretending they are D7? Do you know something about how much space they have for more students? I've been inside that high school many times, and I don't see it. As far as "haves" and "have nots," like I said, it's not about what the kids do to each other; that's everywhere until they learn better. I'm talking about the adults in the building. I most certainly don't mean "evolution" vs. "creationism" when I talk about religion in schools - seriously, as if the Scope's trial is the whole gamut of Christian education. Young Earth Creationism isn't taught in Catholic schools, but Darwin's theory of evolution is. The name "Gregor Mendel" ring any bells? The coercion comes not from staying, but expressing displeasure at anything that goes on in your child's classroom, as well as onto the entire community. You get so displeased with public school performance that you look into other options, you're vilified. I've seen it. As for the claim that OE districts must accept all OE students until reaching capacity: incorrect. Documented behavior of the student - not even necessary for a genuine criminal record - is allowed to be taken into account, as well as the maintenance of racial balance. Also, each school district is responsible for setting its own timelines and procedures for OE. Now, why do some districts seem to take everybody, regardless of the possible negative outcomes for the community at large? $$$$$$$$$$$
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Post by greenman on Oct 13, 2017 19:51:22 GMT -5
Perkins 14, Norwalk 0 at the half. I thought something weird was going on - my dog and the neighbor's cat just rented a place together!
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Post by greenman on Oct 13, 2017 11:37:07 GMT -5
Poor ol' pirates. I am going to watch them play Sandusky this year though. I always have to get one in. Couldn't bear do that this year. Was going to hit up M'ville - NSP again the 28th, but it just so happened that some tickets to the Holy War have landed in my lap. Go Cats! Also, congrats Blue Streaks on a great season.
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Post by greenman on Oct 13, 2017 11:35:00 GMT -5
Game of the week on the radio, WKFM 96.1 FM It'll be dead air without being dead air! Amazing!
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Post by greenman on Oct 13, 2017 11:30:19 GMT -5
No one implied private schools don't recruit, but being private, they're allowed to do so. That's part of not being part of the taxpayer-subsidized system that means it's nearly impossible for a public school system to become so insolvent that it closes. Also, every website I've visited for private schools offers many avenues for financial aid, be it need-based or scholarships (including athletic ones, as they come right out and say). but please, go ahead and keep believing that it's some dastardly, underhanded system that keeps the publics down. Right. No one ever demanded you say "All hail the private schools," either. Let's not forget who started this whole thread with envious whining, with implications and opinions based in self-admitted ignorance. You could have started a playoff thread with literally anything else, but chose to advertise your shortcomings. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. As for a "new system," you admit you've no idea how it would work, but you still want to see it happen. Not only are you envious, but you're about as useful to your spoken cause as tits on a boar. Do you honestly think that if public ADs and administrators would truly back, statewide, a separated public/private playoff, that it wouldn't happen? As government institutions, you don't believe that the OHSAA and the state gov't. would listen to them if they truly raised Hell about it? What does the AD at your kids' school have to say about? Has he or she publicly voiced this view? If not, whether he or she feels the way you do or not, your kids' AD is smart to keep it quiet. Public school admins know the score when it comes to test scores; Ohio privates in general perform at the same level as Ohio publics or better. In fact, only the wealthy suburbs and the most effective schools can compete with any private schools and most of the parochial schools. The public schools coming together in grievance against the athletic aspect of the private schools would, to many people, be a further sign of the weakness of Ohio's public schools. Athletics are a kid-magnet for schools public and private. Admins at Ohio publics know that, and know that asking to be separated from the privates in that way would be asking to be left behind. By your own admission, privates dominate the playoffs (this is true in recent years in football - it doesn't hold across the board if you actually did your homework, but ok). If the public schools demand a separate playoff, and get their way, who looks like the whining, underachieving stepchild? The public schools, of course. I don't have anything against public schools - I went to one K-12. I work at them, and love my job. I do have a problem when someone whines about how unfair everything is, on behalf of a system that can coerce unearned tax dollars and mandatory attendance out of people based on their zip code, against a system that has to sell themselves part and parcel to every prospective student, and that only get windfalls in the form of appreciative alums who make it big. What cowardice. Also, I laughed when I noticed that last jab about me "having such an impact" on the people with whom I went to school. Do you think it bothers me? Sorry, sbc, some of us had, and still have, much broader horizons. Envious, ignorant, and clannish is no way to go through life. I hate having this debate every year. I don't even know where to start. Actually the first sentence in your post is the perfect counter towards your argument. Private schools are allowed to recruit and public schools are not. I mean fair is fair. If everyone is going to participate in the OHSAA system then everyone should follow the same set of rules. I was under the impression that was the whole purpose for the OHSAA in the first place. Is asking for a level playing field really that unreasonable? If I suggested that a private school should get 10 points for a touchdown that would be considered lunacy. But for a school to be able to recruit/draw students from a population base that is 3x,4x,5x, or more that the public schools that they are going to compete against is somehow just and fair. Then, all of the sudden you bring that up it's excuse making or cowardice. I don't have a problem with public schools and private schools competing in the post season, but I do believe that the private schools should be placed in a division that reflects the actual population base that they're drawing from. If that ever happens, then I guess we'll see just how much better their coaching and training techniques truly are. Let's go on to the whole test score point. If you get to pick and choose what students walk into your building and you can't outperform your local school district then you would have to be even more incompetent than what you are claiming the public systems are. After all the public schools are required to take in everyone within their district. It's unfortunate that most people want to avoid talking about this in their arguments. I would say that if you feel that your child is not being "challenged" enough at a public school then probably you aren't taking full advantage of all of the opportunities available to them there. That's the great part about today's parents. It needs to be easy. Just pop out the kid and let me go back to my career. If we can both look up from our cell phones long enough during dinner maybe I'll ask you about your day(if they even eat together). I've never seen paying for your public school system as coercion. I thought that in this country we had decided that everyone had the right to an education, not just those who could afford it. Attendance is hardly mandatory, thus the reason we're even having this debate. You can open enroll, you can go to private school, you can use online digital academies, you can even home school if you so desire. How does my first sentence counter my whole argument. I admitted that privates are allowed to recruit, but then I gave pretty obvious context as to why. If, within the public schools, you really believe that the culture of "haves" and "have-nots" doesn't exist (and not just among petty teenagers), you haven't spent time inside one of these HSs. Also, if you really believe that admins, pols, and some teachers don't make sure that families that may want alternative education for their children don't feel "coerced" by the public system, you similarly don't know what you're talking about. School choice proponents are for the most part vilified by these groups (with pols, at least among Dems). If you think that all public districts are created equally, then, same response. To me, the good part of that argument means that we should bring balance to all publics on Ohio as well, and fix our funding methodology. However, how that really works is that the best publics, one way or another, will dip in performance, because math is hard. Remember also that the powers that be have work to have Christ banished from the entirety of our public experience, lying about what "freedom of religion" means as read in our Constitution as well as turning otherwise uninteresting people into victims. There are parents who don't want to dismiss God from their child's everyday life and curriculum. The schools have gone to great lengths to not just separate the sacred and the secular, but to make enemies of one another - relevant to this response in that no, public schools don't offer everything a parent could desire, no matter how much care and education comes from within the home. Back to "coercion." I'll admit that, for a majority of public school families, that might be too strong a word to use, especially if they like being there. However, I know for a fact that Sandusky Catholic Schools AREN'T telling me the stars will fall from the sky every other November or May if I don't write them a check - they ask me nicely, and only do so because I have a stake in them as a lifelong Catholic that calls a Sandusky parish home. Also, public schools aren't allowed to recruit because, as you clearly state by the fact that they are required to take in everyone in the district, they don't have to. Privates have to sell themselves; that's why they're called "private," right? Probably means they have to be a little more attentive to families, or as they're now called at least at Norwalk Catholic, "stakeholders." Just because they're not the same doesn't mean they don't have balance between them. And as was mentioned here before, doesn't uninhibited open enrollment put most Ohio publics on the same step as privates? I can't speak for all districts, because ironically, they aren't uniform across the board on this, but in districts I've studied, parents and guardians must first APPLY to enroll, and can be denied admission.
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Post by greenman on Oct 11, 2017 19:48:23 GMT -5
Central Catholic has 235 boys. With comp "balance" their number is like 455. Div 3 cutoff is like 360. I think thats the biggest elephant in the room. Put them where they should be - D2. Period. No argument here. Fair is fair.
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Post by greenman on Oct 11, 2017 19:47:45 GMT -5
Green you are right ...whining no... It just don't seem right seeing the same schools in the state championship games almost every year.. But like you said it must be coaching .. And yes I guess I am ignorant when it comes to this Private vs Public school football but I'm sure I'm not alone on that subject..and when I said Hail to the private schools....it is what it is they will be in the finals just like most of the past years and as you say the public ADs have never come forward on this subject... but I'm sure they have and it still remains the same...And yes I did start this subject and you definitely filled me in and definitely did not see it the way you explained it.. Relatively few public ADs have come forward, if any. I've heard of none. They're foolish to do so, for the reasons I listed, and won't do so en masse for the same. Now that open enrollment is no longer limited to adjacent districts but anywhere in the state, the whole "recruiting" thing people accuse the privates of doing is out the window. I've had the opportunity to work in both private and public in this day and age. The difference in discipline is night and day, and that's what it comes down to; the culture at home dictates the culture at school, which in turn dictates the culture on the field or court. Honestly, every year some yo-ho wants to fight this battle, but comes armed with a butterknife. It's exhausting.
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