Week 10: Vermillion (6) @ Willard (41)

[BellevueBuckeye]

Vermilion won 50-24 last year

[sportsvideo]

i have to believe Willard wins this one..but it will be close..

[Vogel]

Winless Football Seasons at Willard - 1st year of Football was 1921
1956 - 0-9
1969 - 0-10
2014 - 0-10
2020 - 0-11
2021 - 0-9 - 1 game left

Most Consecutive losses to start a tenure at Willard
9 - Norman Bray - 1956 - Got 1st win in season opener vs Vermilion in 1957
9 - Kade Long - 2019 - Got 1st win in week 10 vs Vermilion
9 - Bill Speller - 2021 - plays Vermilion in Week 10

Longest Losing Streaks at Willard
25 - 2013-2015
20 - 2020-present day
The next highest is 12 and that was mostly from the 0-10 1969 season (that team lost 4 games by 1 TD or less)

The ineptitude of Willard Football over the past decade is absurd. If not for getting to play in the River in 2017 & 2018 vs Danbury, St Joe, SMCC and the rest of that crew and we are nearing a decade straight of 1-9 or 0-10. Unacceptable.

First 90 years of Willard Football and 12 was the longest losing streak.
Then over the past decade 2 separate streaks of 20+ loses.

WIN.

But...but...but...but... No excuses. WIN.

[sbclives]

Oct 17, 2021 8:06:12 GMT -5 sportsvideo said:

i have to believe Willard wins this one..but it will be close..

Vermilion did show signs of life last week and was leading Edison in the 3rd quarter.

[wallacefan]

Calpreps says:


neutral field
[2021] Vermilion (OH) 31, [2021] Willard (OH) 27

If you give 3 points for home field advantage (long drive for Vermilion) it’s basically a pick ‘em.

Will be interesting to see what happens.

[sportsvideo]

Oct 17, 2021 10:33:21 GMT -5 sbclives said:

Oct 17, 2021 8:06:12 GMT -5 sportsvideo said:

i have to believe Willard wins this one..but it will be close..

Vermilion did show signs of life last week and was leading Edison in the 3rd quarter.

might be the most amazing game the SBC sees all season...  

[sbclives]

Oct 17, 2021 13:02:44 GMT -5 sportsvideo said:

Oct 17, 2021 10:33:21 GMT -5 sbclives said:

Vermilion did show signs of life last week and was leading Edison in the 3rd quarter.

might be the most amazing game the SBC sees all season...  

They should have the winning team have a meet and greet with Charlie Frye afterwards. You’d hate to see these two teams just turn in their equipment after a long season. I don’t think Nick Dials is available this Friday.

[buckeyekid]

Best of luck Flashes! The Seniors have a chance to go out winners. They say you remember your last game more than any other. I hope they pull this one off for that sake.

[crimson5]

Oct 18, 2021 6:27:04 GMT -5 buckeyekid said:

Best of luck Flashes! The Seniors have a chance to go out winners. They say you remember your last game more than any other. I hope they pull this one off for that sake.

Head Coach focus on 2022 season + ego bigger than mine = 0-9 (soon to be 0-10).......not a fan, seniors deserved better.

[dude]

Oct 18, 2021 8:36:12 GMT -5 crimson5 said:

Oct 18, 2021 6:27:04 GMT -5 buckeyekid said:

Best of luck Flashes! The Seniors have a chance to go out winners. They say you remember your last game more than any other. I hope they pull this one off for that sake.

Head Coach focus on 2022 season + ego bigger than mine = 0-9 (soon to be 0-10).......not a fan, seniors deserved better.

I have known some head coaches who begin working on the following season once they cannot be above .500 for the current season. It can be a hard pill for a senior to swallow. And Senior parents.

[woods]

Oct 18, 2021 8:36:12 GMT -5 crimson5 said:

Oct 18, 2021 6:27:04 GMT -5 buckeyekid said:

Best of luck Flashes! The Seniors have a chance to go out winners. They say you remember your last game more than any other. I hope they pull this one off for that sake.

Head Coach focus on 2022 season + ego bigger than mine = 0-9 (soon to be 0-10).......not a fan, seniors deserved better.

Man that sucks, sorry to hear that. Hopefully you guys get through this last game healthy. Have a great basketball season! Will be routing for you guys! 

[ScarletFever]

Feeeling vermilion by 20+ after they scared Edison last week.

Coach was in a no win situation this year but at least showed up all summer to weights and demanded accountability. Gotta start somewhere.

[buckeyekid]

Agree 100 % Scarlet--Playing in the Bay was a no win situation for anyone.
And At some point, you have to look to next year to a certain extent.

I hope we win for the Seniors plain and simple!!! 

[redskinfan04]

Willard should win this game if they get the ball in Paxton and Lopez’s hands early and often.

[smitty1974]

this game is on 92.9 wlkr classic and is being streamed on NFHS network.

[jvchesster]

Heart says Willard, head says Vermillion big. Good luck flashes

[jimb]

Oct 18, 2021 8:36:12 GMT -5 crimson5 said:

Oct 18, 2021 6:27:04 GMT -5 buckeyekid said:

Best of luck Flashes! The Seniors have a chance to go out winners. They say you remember your last game more than any other. I hope they pull this one off for that sake.

Head Coach focus on 2022 season + ego bigger than mine = 0-9 (soon to be 0-10).......not a fan, seniors deserved better.

and here is why some of willard sports programs are in the situation they are in. this coach was hired to rebuild this program, not cater to seniors.

[clb6110]

Actually other than football and baseball Willard sports,both boys and girls,have done quite well actually. Thanks for the insight jimbo.

[maplecityjake]

Oct 19, 2021 18:46:07 GMT -5 clb6110 said:

Actually other than football and baseball Willard sports,both boys and girls,have done quite well actually. Thanks for the insight jimbo.

In fairness, he stated "some."

[maplecityjake]

Oct 19, 2021 17:48:51 GMT -5 jimb said:

Oct 18, 2021 8:36:12 GMT -5 crimson5 said:

Head Coach focus on 2022 season + ego bigger than mine = 0-9 (soon to be 0-10).......not a fan, seniors deserved better.

and here is why some of willard sports programs are in the situation they are in. this coach was hired to rebuild this program, not cater to seniors.

I hinted at this 3 weeks ago when it was obvious to me Norwalk was headed for 1-9 that I wished Truckers went more to a youth movement. Seniors had their chances to get it done. I don't apologize for being an old school holessa.

[redskinfan04]

I’ll go with Willard to bust the losing streak Friday night.

[clb6110]

Oct 19, 2021 18:55:48 GMT -5 maplecityjake said:

Oct 19, 2021 18:46:07 GMT -5 clb6110 said:

Actually other than football and baseball Willard sports,both boys and girls,have done quite well actually. Thanks for the insight jimbo.

In fairness, he stated "some."

I realize that. It's just some do like to pile on Willard and in general Willard sports are fine. Just so happens 2 IMO important ones aren't fine.

[jimb]

Oct 20, 2021 7:07:34 GMT -5 clb6110 said:

Oct 19, 2021 18:55:48 GMT -5 maplecityjake said:

In fairness, he stated "some."

I realize that. It's just some do like to pile on Willard and in general Willard sports are fine. Just so happens 2 IMO important ones aren't fine.

i'm not piling on willard, just the opposite. someone saying a new coach has an ego, talking smack about a new coach trying to rebuild a program and being unfair to the seniors. if that is what it takes to turn a program around, so be it. crimson 5 said it himself, maybe 2-3 wins this year. if the coach felt it was a rebuilding year and had to sacrifice a few seniors along the way to start that rebuilding process, that's life. look what coach bedingfield did his first year, sacrificed to turn the program around. same situation imo.

[dude]

Oct 20, 2021 10:24:28 GMT -5 jimb said:

Oct 20, 2021 7:07:34 GMT -5 clb6110 said:

I realize that. It's just some do like to pile on Willard and in general Willard sports are fine. Just so happens 2 IMO important ones aren't fine.

i'm not piling on willard, just the opposite. someone saying a new coach has an ego, talking smack about a new coach trying to rebuild a program and being unfair to the seniors. if that is what it takes to turn a program around, so be it. crimson 5 said it himself, maybe 2-3 wins this year. if the coach felt it was a rebuilding year and had to sacrifice a few seniors along the way to start that rebuilding process, that's life. look what coach bedingfield did his first year, sacrificed to turn the program around. same situation imo.

You have to admit that this is laughable.

[Vogel]

The whole "it takes years to turn this program around" mantra is absurd.

Sometimes year 1 can be a slow culture change but results should be noticeable by year 2. You just don't find coaches going 0-10, 1-9 in their 1st 2 years getting kids to buy in during year 3. A coach needs to win.


Urban Meyer
BGSU
2000 - 2-9
2001 - 8-3 - Urban's 1st year
2002 - 9-3 - Urban's 2nd year

Utah
2002 - 5-6
2003 - 10-2 - Urban's 1st year
2004 - 12-0 - Urban's 2nd year

Florida
2004 - 7-5
2005 - 9-3 - Urban's 1st year
2006 - 13-1 - Urban's 2nd year - National Champs

Ohio State
2011 - 6-7
2012 - 12-0 - Urban's 1st year
2013 - 12-2 - Urban's 2nd year
2014 - 14-1 - Urban's 3rd year - National Champs



Jim Tressel
Ohio State
1999 - 6-6
2000 - 8-4
2001 - 7-5 - Tressel's 1st year
2002 - 14-0 - Tressel's 2nd year - National Champs



Bob Stoops
Oklahoma
1996 - 3-8
1997 - 4-8
1998 - 5-6
1999 - 7-5 - Stoops 1st year
2000 - 13-0 - Stoops 2nd year - National Champs


Pete Carroll
USC
1999 - 6-6
2000 - 5-7
2001 - 6-6 - Pete's 1st year
2002 - 11-2 - Pete's 2nd year
2003 - 12-1 - Pete's 3rd year
2004 - 13-0 - Pete's 4th year - National Champs


Nick Saban
LSU
1998 - 4-7
1999 - 3-8
2000 - 8-4 - Saban's 1st year
2001 - 10-3 - Saban's 2nd year
2002 - 8-5 - Saban's 3rd year
2003 - 13-1 - Saban's 4th year - National Champs

Alabama
2006 - 6-7
2007 - 7-6 - Saban's 1st year
2008 - 12-2 - Saban's 2nd year
2009 - 14-0 - Saban's 3rd year - National Champs


Paul Brown
Massillon
1931 - 2-6-2
1932 - 5-4-1 - Brown's 1st year
1933 - 8-2 - Brown's 2nd year
1934 - 9-1 - Brown's 3rd year
1935 - 10-0 - Brown's 4th year
1936 - 10-0 - Brown's 5th year
1937 - 8-1-1 - Brown's 6th year
1938 - 10-0 - Brown's 7th year
1939 - 10-0 - Brown's 8th year
1940 - 10-0 - Brown's 9th year
And after Brown set that foundation, Massillon became Massillon for the next 30 years.

Ohio State
1940 - 4-4
1941 - 6-1-1 - Brown's 1st year
1942 - 9-1 - Brown's 2nd year - National Champs

Cleveland Browns
1946 - 12-2 - 1st year for Brown and the teams existence - AAFC Champs
1947 - 12-1-1 - 2nd year for Brown - AAFC Champs
1948 - 14-0 - 3rd year for Brown - AAFC Champs
1949 - 9-1-2 - 4th year for Brown - AAFC Champs
1950 - Browns join NFL
1950 - 10-2 - 5th year for Brown - NFL Champs


Howard Schnellenberger
Miami
1975 - 2-8
1976 - 3-8
1977 - 3-8
1978 - 6-5
1979 - 5-6 - Schnelly's 1st year
1980 - 9-3 - Schnelly's 2nd year
1981 - 9-2 - Schnelly's 3rd year
1982 - 7-4 - Schnelly's 4th year
1983 - 11-1 - Schnelly's 5th year - National Champs
Miami was just another CFB school and not a National Power before Schnellenberger showed up

[buckeyekid]

As a WHS fan I wanna win--period. If not this year then next year. I do feel for the Seniors as they haven't tasted a win. I know from past experience you have a tendency to vividly recall your last game played .  Really hoping our Seniors can make it happen. They deserve to go out winners.

[BellevueBuckeye]

Oct 20, 2021 16:55:04 GMT -5 buckeyekid said:

next year which by going into the River Divison --should-- make for some winnable games

That happens in 2023. You're still in the Bay for 2022.

[woods]

Oct 20, 2021 14:30:35 GMT -5 Vogel said:

The whole "it takes years to turn this program around" mantra is absurd.

Sometimes year 1 can be a slow culture change but results should be noticeable by year 2. You just don't find coaches going 0-10, 1-9 in their 1st 2 years getting kids to buy in during year 3. A coach needs to win.


Urban Meyer
BGSU
2000 - 2-9
2001 - 8-3 - Urban's 1st year
2002 - 9-3 - Urban's 2nd year

Utah
2002 - 5-6
2003 - 10-2 - Urban's 1st year
2004 - 12-0 - Urban's 2nd year

Florida
2004 - 7-5
2005 - 9-3 - Urban's 1st year
2006 - 13-1 - Urban's 2nd year - National Champs

Ohio State
2011 - 6-7
2012 - 12-0 - Urban's 1st year
2013 - 12-2 - Urban's 2nd year
2014 - 14-1 - Urban's 3rd year - National Champs



Jim Tressel
Ohio State
1999 - 6-6
2000 - 8-4
2001 - 7-5 - Tressel's 1st year
2002 - 14-0 - Tressel's 2nd year - National Champs



Bob Stoops
Oklahoma
1996 - 3-8
1997 - 4-8
1998 - 5-6
1999 - 7-5 - Stoops 1st year
2000 - 13-0 - Stoops 2nd year - National Champs


Pete Carroll
USC
1999 - 6-6
2000 - 5-7
2001 - 6-6 - Pete's 1st year
2002 - 11-2 - Pete's 2nd year
2003 - 12-1 - Pete's 3rd year
2004 - 13-0 - Pete's 4th year - National Champs


Nick Saban
LSU
1998 - 4-7
1999 - 3-8
2000 - 8-4 - Saban's 1st year
2001 - 10-3 - Saban's 2nd year
2002 - 8-5 - Saban's 3rd year
2003 - 13-1 - Saban's 4th year - National Champs

Alabama
2006 - 6-7
2007 - 7-6 - Saban's 1st year
2008 - 12-2 - Saban's 2nd year
2009 - 14-0 - Saban's 3rd year - National Champs


Paul Brown
Massillon
1931 - 2-6-2
1932 - 5-4-1 - Brown's 1st year
1933 - 8-2 - Brown's 2nd year
1934 - 9-1 - Brown's 3rd year
1935 - 10-0 - Brown's 4th year
1936 - 10-0 - Brown's 5th year
1937 - 8-1-1 - Brown's 6th year
1938 - 10-0 - Brown's 7th year
1939 - 10-0 - Brown's 8th year
1940 - 10-0 - Brown's 9th year
And after Brown set that foundation, Massillon became Massillon for the next 30 years.

Ohio State
1940 - 4-4
1941 - 6-1-1 - Brown's 1st year
1942 - 9-1 - Brown's 2nd year - National Champs

Cleveland Browns
1946 - 12-2 - 1st year for Brown and the teams existence - AAFC Champs
1947 - 12-1-1 - 2nd year for Brown - AAFC Champs
1948 - 14-0 - 3rd year for Brown - AAFC Champs
1949 - 9-1-2 - 4th year for Brown - AAFC Champs
1950 - Browns join NFL
1950 - 10-2 - 5th year for Brown - NFL Champs


Howard Schnellenberger
Miami
1975 - 2-8
1976 - 3-8
1977 - 3-8
1978 - 6-5
1979 - 5-6 - Schnelly's 1st year
1980 - 9-3 - Schnelly's 2nd year
1981 - 9-2 - Schnelly's 3rd year
1982 - 7-4 - Schnelly's 4th year
1983 - 11-1 - Schnelly's 5th year - National Champs
Miami was just another CFB school and not a National Power before Schnellenberger showed up

As you compare high school D5 football to Power 5 College and the NFL lol 
You seem so far out of touch with how the game is today as well as the mentality of kids in today's generation. 
This game is completely different from what you are comparing it to, the 40s, 50s, 70s and heck college football programs in general.
They fill their teams with players they want and they recruit or draft in the case of the NFL, that not how high school ball works, you have what you have and you need to try to motivate others to come join a team, but that is all you get. 
Then you have to go to work and try to improve skills fundamentally that you should not have to focus on because they should have been taken care of at the lower or middle school level. That sets programs back years to get the fundamentals you need to win in the game of football. 

[maplecityjake]

I forgot who it was and where, but a Coach started 0-20 his 1st 2 years, then won State Title by year 5.

[Vogel]

woods, you sound like a failed ex-coach.

You want some High School football. Here you go bud. I can go on and on.

It doesn't take 10 years to turn a program around. Great coaches when they are coaching great do it really quick.

Chris Hawkins
Wynford
1992 - 3-7
1993 - 2-8
1994 - 8-3 - Hawkins 1st year
1995 - 8-2 - Hawkins 2nd year - NCC Champs
Oh, that was a quick turnaround.

Chris Hawkins
Willard
1997 - 2-8
1998 - 3-7
1999 - 10-2 - Hawkins 1st year - NOL Champs
Oh, that was a quick turnaround

Chris Hawkins
Galion
2002 - 1-9
2003 - 0-10
2004 - 0-10
2005 - 1-9
2006 - 1-9
2007 - 1-9 - Hawkins 1st year
2008 - 5-5 - Hawkins 2nd year
2009 - 10-1 - Hawkins 3rd year - NOL Champs


Ed Nasonti
Bellevue
1988 - 4-6
1989 - 6-4
1990 - 3-7
1991 - 8-2 - Nasonti's 1st year - NOL Champs
1992 - 9-1 - Nasonti's 2nd year - NOL Champs
1993 - 11-1 - Nasonti's 3rd year - NOL Champs


Steve Gilbert
Tiffin Columbian
1990 - 2-8
1991 - 3-7
1992 - 0-10
1993 - 3-7 - Gilbert's 1st year
1994 - 8-2 - Gilbert's 2nd year
1995 - 9-1 - Gilbert's 3rd year - NOL Champs
1996 - 8-2 - Gilbert's 4th year - NOL Champs

Bob Hart
Norwalk
1961 - 1-8
1962 - 3-6
1963 - 1-6-2
1964 - 1-7-1
1965 - 4-5
1966 - 2-8
1967 - 0-10
1968 - 1-9
1969 - 4-6
1970 - 6-3 - ooh a winning record
1971 - 2-7-1
1972 - 2-7-1 - Hart's 1st year
1973 - 6-4 - Hart's 2nd year
1974 - 11-1 Hart's 3rd year - STATE Champs