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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 2, 2018 21:48:59 GMT -5
Devil’s advocate: 2015 data: 13,286 people killed with firearms in the US. 10,265 by drunk drivers. 38,300 in MVA’s. 480,000 tobacco related deaths. Do we ban cars, alcohol, guns, tobacco or a combination? We aren't talking about all gun violence, we are talking about mass school shootings. Really, we should ban fast food, soda and cigarettes if we want to save lives... That’s kinda my point. We have finite resources. Our government, our media, and our populace is expending an enormous amount of energy debating the prevention of < 1000 deaths per year while we ignore bigger problems.
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 2, 2018 21:21:48 GMT -5
Vermilion 53 Shelby 47 Final I heard Shelby played without would be four year varsity letter winner Brady Hill. He quit. I’ll admit I am out of the loop this year. I only saw four games. I’ve heard about four other kids quitting. Anyone have any additional information about what happened?
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 2, 2018 21:06:22 GMT -5
Devil’s advocate:
2015 data:
13,286 people killed with firearms in the US. 10,265 by drunk drivers. 38,300 in MVA’s. 480,000 tobacco related deaths.
Do we ban cars, alcohol, guns, tobacco or a combination?
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 26, 2018 13:06:38 GMT -5
heresjim, I look forward to more of your posts. Do you have any links to some studies you allude to in your posts. I’m curious because most people draw conclusions that don’t always have basis in fact. Coorelation does not prove causation. Chicago’s ban on gun sales doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with their homicide rate. It looks great as an argument against gun bans, but there are too many other variables. The research you are talking about is sociological and that’s muddy research. What would need to happen is Ohio make teachers packing heat mandatory and Indiana ban them from doing so. No other strategies could be implemented (bullet proof doors, smoke screens) and then wait to measure what happens. That ain’t gonna’ happen.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 23, 2018 5:18:14 GMT -5
I work in a medical facility with those same stupid signs that say no firearms. The administration makes exceptions on a case by case basis. I’ve recently taken the concealed carry class. As soon as I can get to one of the sheriff offices I’m going to get my official permit. If the administration will grant me an exception I’ll be carrying. I work near an entrance so I figure I’m in one of the better positions to be armed. Money meet mouth.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 22, 2018 5:20:03 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone expects them to do it for free. Paying them extra would still be cheaper than hiring an entire addition employee with the additional salary and benefits package.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 21, 2018 5:21:17 GMT -5
Your absolutely right, why bother training teachers to defend themselves and their students, because they are too damn stupid to know how to handle a firearm and wouldn't have a clue on neutralizing an active shooter. Let's 'play it safe' and continue the methodic slaughter of kids cowering helplessly under a desk or in a corner. Let's 'play it safe' and hope the body count stays at an acceptable level before 'trained' 1st responders arrive on the scene.....that sure makes sense to me! No one said a thing about arming all the teachers and administrators. Select teachers and administrators would possess concealed firearms and be fully trained and prepared to respond instantaneously and neutralize the threat. Oh, and by the way, there was a security guard on the school site, when the massacre began. It is insincere to worry about future gun purchases when the next potential killers are most probably already armed. Whether legal or illegal, there are more than 300 million guns in our country. Short of a gestapo style blitz, there is no way to go back in time and re-assess our national gun policies. Our U.S. Constitution, namely the 2nd ammendment guarantees us certain rights that can never be infringed upon. Existing gun laws have failed us, mental health advocates have been in-effective, and now, based on what we know about Parkland and previous school shootings, even the FBI has failed us. It is quite evident our energies need to be redirected, not toward further meaningless 'gun control,' but rather on hardening our defenses. Public school and other public schools and other public buildings need to outfitted with steel doors and non-penetrating glass. All schools should have active shooter drills as often as they have fire drills. In coordination with police and fire departments, door barricade devises must be chosen with great care. Beyond that, guns will be a necessary component on school campuses. Guns in the possesion of paid armed guards, but also guns concealed and carried by select members of the faculty and administration. Our schools can no longer become 'free fire zones' for killers who know they will not meet any armed resistance. Rather, potential killers must believe and understand, they will face withering fire from unidentifiable (to them) individuals. It is no longer enough to wring our hands after one of these mass killings, and mouth mindless desires for 'gun control'. The time is now for officials at all levels of government to take positive action to make our schools and colleges safe and secure. You just stated that there was a security guard on site yet it didn't matter at all. And he was supposedly "trained" to deal with situations like this? Do you figure that your armed faculty members are going to have more or less training than the security guard did? Just curious, did you ever bother to stop and consider that while an armed faculty member is searching through the running students looking for the one with the weapon that all they are is just another target? Also, when did we ever direct our energies toward any meaningful gun control. Personally I think people should be required to have a license to purchase and own a gun. If my daughter needs 50 hours of driving time and a certificate from a driving instructor to drive a car then I don't feel that it is unreasonable to require the same for a firearm. 50 hours sounds about right to start with to get a concealed carry. Plus I’d require yearly recertifications on a range. It takes 16 hours currently to get a drivers license. That’s a 2000+ pound weapon that kills more people per year than all assault rifles. Why is the public not outraged and calling for the banning of cars and more training to get licensed? I know it’s not an apples to apples comparison. You’re going to say we need cars and transportation, but we don’t need guns. My point is perspective. This was a senseless killing. We need to look at all reasonable options then see how they work. Seatbelts don’t save everyone in a car accident, but we wear them. If training and arming willing and qualified teachers limits the death toll in a shooting or two then we continue. If it doesn’t then we abandon the program. It’s a quicker solution than legislation and implementation. Knowing there is armed resistance also has the potential for deterrence.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 20, 2018 19:11:20 GMT -5
Some of you need to realize that we live in reality not an action movie. In real life the hero can't pull a random civilian off the street and have them be part of a high speed car chase or hand them a gun and be part of the big gun fight. Most of the people who are wired to run into burning buildings or toward gun shots and flying bullets are already in the military or are first responders. Shooting a gun at a gun range is a far cry from assessing and identifying a threat during panic and chaos. What happens when an armed civilian makes an error in judgement or accidentally hits a kid in the crossfire? Arming teachers and admins is a bad idea. I would add to sportsjock’s post that there were at least a few teachers with the right mentality to run toward danger. They were the ones who died shielding their students. It only takes 1-2 on site to be better than a police officer 15-30 minutes away. Most of us advocating concealed carry in this situation are recommending many more than the eight hours currently required in Ohio.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 17, 2018 15:58:36 GMT -5
Geography is not a strong suit of yours. If not lazy you could use map quest. In the NOL Shelby's longest trip was to Sandusky 1 hr, next longest was TC 53 minutes In the SBC - Oak Harbor 1 hr 28 minutes, Port Clinton 1 hr 17 min, Vermilion 1 hr 7 minutes, Huron 58 minutes MOAC - Shelby's longest trip is to Buckeye Valley 1 hr 4 minutes. All others are 50 minutes or less Your lack of intellect is showing when you say "a school that was to be in the MOAC is already going to leave." Buckeye Valley HAS BEEN in the MOAC for 28 years. Your last sentence is the only accurate one in your post. ROLF!!! WELL SIR, MAYBE YOU SHOULD LEARN TO READ BETTER!! THE SCHOOLS YOU MENTION, OAK HARBOR, PORT CLINTON ,VERMILLION ARE ONLY SCHOOLS IN FOOTBALL DIVISION!!! HOW MANY TIMES WILL THEY HAVE TO GO THERE EACH YEAR, EVERY OTHER IF YOU CANT FIGURE IT OUT ON YOUR OWN!! I SAID THAT THE ONLY REASON THEY GOT OUT IS BECAUSE OF FOOTBALL!!! BASEBALL, BASKETBALL AND ALL OTHER SPORTS FOR GIRLS AND BOYS THEY DIDNT HAVE TO TRAVEL ANY FURTHER THAN WHEN IN NOL!! BUCKEYE VALLEY, I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN IN MOAC, BUT I BELIEVE THEY LEAVING SOON!!! Not entirely true. As BB mentioned Shelby would be driving to Clyde and Perkins for all other sports which are both farther away than Willard (new SBC drives versus old NOL drives).
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 16, 2018 16:50:34 GMT -5
And they get to play Ontario, Galion, and Clear Fork. All schools they have a history with. Not a Bellevue/Willard type history, but a history. They’ll have OOC games for those traditional rivals.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 15, 2018 23:19:23 GMT -5
The fact is our safety and security is an illusion. We go about our daily lives vulnerable to any crazy person or zealot with a gun. The cops cannot be everywhere all the time nor would we want them to be. That’s a police state where we would be sacrificing freedom for security. I’ve said for years the next 9/11 like scenario could be a radical with several semiautomatics showing up to a football or basketball game on a Friday night and wreaking havoc. Worse yet a coordinated effort by 6, 10, 100 on the same night. The death toll would be huge, but the damage to our psyche would be worse. Games or seasons would be cancelled and part of the fabric of our culture would be changed forever. It would be way cheaper and easier to coordinate than flying plains into buildings. How many of you remember what two gunman in a car with a hole in the trunk did in the DC area a few years back? They shot a handful of people over several weeks and nobody in the city wanted to go to work or send their kids to school. My point is this. The only way to stop a bad person with a gun is for a good person with a gun to step up. We need an armed citizenry at the site of these shootings to limit the damage. The caveat is they need to be well trained and the 8 hours it takes to get a concealed carry in Ohio is a joke. You should have to take law enforcement type classes on how to recognize suspicious behavior along with when it is safe to shoot and when it is not. You should also have many more hours of range time initially and to recertify periodically.
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 12, 2018 18:11:20 GMT -5
You can still see the grass in my yard. I wish I could be as wrong as the weatherman.
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 11, 2018 12:44:10 GMT -5
For the record, I couldn’t care less about the situation. I stand on the sidelines no matter where Shelby plays, no matter who they play, and whether they are playing for a league title or none of the above. Someone goes down after a hit and doesn’t get up I go out regardless of uniform color. I just think what the SBC is doing is bush league, IMO.
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 11, 2018 12:40:18 GMT -5
Lucky? How’d finding a replacement for Shelby work out for the Bay teams that tried? If they had they wouldn’t be driving to Shelby this year. It worked out for everyone. All that changed is the SBC looks petty and weak for excluding Shelby from division honors. They left the league - hence no league honors. Facts. So you’re suggesting Shelby administration called the SBC and said we are leaving the league after the 2017-18 school year, one year BEFORE we start in our new league. I’m guessing they probably said we are leaving after 18-19, but the SBC retaliated by telling them they were out immediately. Someone can correct me if it didn’t go down that way.
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 10, 2018 21:27:13 GMT -5
Shelby made their choice. They are lucky they are not looking for 7-8 games for next year. Maybe the parents and players should question their admins first? Lucky? How’d finding a replacement for Shelby work out for the Bay teams that tried? If they had they wouldn’t be driving to Shelby this year. It worked out for everyone. All that changed is the SBC looks petty and weak for excluding Shelby from division honors.
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 6, 2018 6:18:44 GMT -5
Deathfromabove, being nice by not dropping them? the SBC is being nice by not dropping them. Do you know how hard it would be for them to schedule an entire season as an independent? Also, that middle tier is on the verge of collapse. Plus, Shelby told them they could be out as early this coming year. So the SBC reacted accordingly. Again, choices have consequences and this was the consequence to leave the league after one year. Plus, so what if they told them it was a temp situation. To use your analogy if you were in an interview and said I only am going to be here temporarily, they probably wouldn't have hired you if the job is meaningful. Just tell me what the SBC has to gain from excluding Shelby from a division championship and their kids from all league honors? What’s the point? I just don’t see that decision doing anything to benefit the league. It makes them look petty and vindictive. Take the high road. Fact. If Shelby wins all their division games next year somebody is going to get a hallow division title for their trophy case because everyone is going to know they didn’t really win the division. Fact. Kids at other schools are going to get division honors they don’t really deserve because there is a Shelby kid who is better than them. They can hang it on their wall, but it won’t make them the best at their position in their division. They’ll still be the second best that won on a technicality. Is one team leaving a conference this big really that devastating? The SBC is in the drivers seat now. One team leaves and they realign. No big deal. If someone wants to leave there are likely 1-2 that will want in at the same time. They should respond to someone leaving from the position of power they have. Shrug your shoulders and say no big deal instead of acting like it bothers them and reacting like they are weakened by Shelby’s move.
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 13, 2017 16:10:42 GMT -5
Thanks. Did Carter Brooks play and did he contribute? Any scoring breakdown? Carter Brooks did play and did contribute. He ended with 6pts, 5 rebounds, and 3 assists. He may still have a little football mentality as he had 4 fouls and spent a good amount of time on the bench. Hunter Hoffman led the way with 24 and 8. Schwemley went for 14, 5, and 5. Hill had 13 with 7 assists. Everyone had a chance to contribute tonight. They moved the ball really well and the big lead gave the entire varsity line up plenty of playing time. Tonight's game against Upper should be little more competitive. Thanks for this and the subsequent update. I won’t get to see a live game until, probably, after Christmas. If someone could post this weekend’s games (if any) I’d appreciate.
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 9, 2017 7:02:45 GMT -5
Thanks. Did Carter Brooks play and did he contribute? Any scoring breakdown?
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 8, 2017 15:41:26 GMT -5
I’m a few miles and time zones away. If someone can track down a b-ball score for Shelby can you post it, please? Been gone a week. This is their first game, right?
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 28, 2017 5:26:06 GMT -5
Austin Parrigan for Shelby also got honorable mention o-line.
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 27, 2017 18:34:15 GMT -5
So back to basketball........ How many Shelby games are postponed?? What I heard was the first two. Madison and Wynford.
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 25, 2017 13:20:12 GMT -5
There is a long list of “thIngs” that contributed to this loss. Both of these contributed. Shelby ran out of steam by the fourth quarter. Having hardly played in the fourth made a difference. Having “been there” makes a difference. There are a few others.
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 24, 2017 20:42:45 GMT -5
Shelby season ends tonight. You sure?
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 22, 2017 18:39:26 GMT -5
Don’t know anything about a kick in the head, but a St Pete’s transfer was Parker Grove.
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 19, 2017 11:25:18 GMT -5
So the only thing we disagree on is I think making it public is better and you think making it disgusting it better. Hair splitting at this point. I can move on and get back to bball.
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 19, 2017 10:11:14 GMT -5
According to Athletic handbook, games can be reduced by community service. So what you are saying is that a kid has had his discipline reduced because he did community service. As a teaching tool I hope the community service was something that will make a difference in this young mans decision making and not just picking up trash in the city park. So is it supposed to “make a difference” or just be a punishment? It’s easier for me to debate someone who takes a side. We might actually be agreeing.
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 19, 2017 7:32:27 GMT -5
Ok, let’s go with your idea. How are courthouse toilets more meaningful than trash? They would probably pick trash just because toilets are worse. How is cleaning toilets sending a message not to do drugs? Meaningful in my mind would be setting up, sitting in on, and cleaning up after an AA meeting. I guarantee they’d pick that over trash and in their mind the whole time say that would never be me. I’d never go that far which is what every addict says the first time.
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 18, 2017 23:45:03 GMT -5
I spend a good portion of my day interacting with teens. Studies show you are more likely to keep them from smoking by telling them it will cause premature wrinkles than it will kill them my causing COPD and cancer. They’re more about image than substance. It doesn’t make them bad, it’s just a fact. If you want to impart change you have to understand motivation. They aren’t motivated by seeing the outcome of someone who made bad choices. They’re motivated by looking cool. Orange vest in the park aren’t cool. Nobody sees you when you go to a county jail. You ask them whether they prefer a punishment nobody else knew about or a punishment that is publicly visible they’ll pick the anonymous punishment every time.
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 18, 2017 20:36:48 GMT -5
Let me get this straight. Wearing a hunting vest and picking up pop and water bottles would make you not want to smoke a joint with your friends? How about clean the Courthouse restrooms. How about working in the cafeteria at the jail? How about making the kid do something so bad that he never wants to be put in that spot again. I don't understand reducing the penalty for breaking the law with racking leaves on the city lawn. I must be older than I think. If you think something meaningful like going to a jail or an AA meeting is going to hit home you don’t know teens too well. Embarrassing them by putting them in an orange vest downtown is going to work way better than expecting them to look at something on a deeper level. It’s the Twitter generation. 142 characters, baby.
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 18, 2017 12:45:50 GMT -5
I give Bellevue a lot of credit. They played hard all night. I’ve watched a bunch of other teams deflate this year when Shelby got them down and Bellevue never did. They hit hard until the last second ticked off the clock. I beg to differ with the news article, though. “On the ropes” is a stretch. That implies that Shelby was at risk of losing. They never trailed. The score Bellevue put up before halftime sent a message they weren’t quitting, but Shelby was never “on the ropes.”
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