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Post by schwinn on Nov 12, 2016 23:41:34 GMT -5
Three undefeateds go down today today.Puts OSU back in the hunt!
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Post by schwinn on Nov 12, 2016 23:44:31 GMT -5
3 undefeateds go down today!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 12, 2016 23:58:15 GMT -5
BAD day for Ohio State. Iowa beats Michigan on a last second field goal. Unless something even weirder happens and Ohio State beats U of M, this means a 2 loss team wins the Big Ten Title and 1 loss Ohio State is out. If Wisconsin beats Penn State. Does the Committee take a 2 loss Big Ten Champion Wisconsin that Ohio State beat over a 1 loss Ohio State? OR even though the Big Ten is the best Conference, do they not take a Big Ten Team?
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 13, 2016 2:57:02 GMT -5
Looks like the second consecutive re-run for the Big Ten. Upsets and scheduling,result in another Big Ten Champion misnomor. Ohio State should find themselves sitting in the #2 playoff slot this week. Penn State will probably win out with only Rutgers and MSU left on their schedule. Consequently, the Buckeyes need to win out impressively to maintain their presence in the top four.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 13, 2016 6:39:07 GMT -5
Simple fix Big Ten, change the tiebreaker. When there is a tie the higher ranked committee team wins the tie breaker. If the Big Ten sticks with their current archaic tiebreaker then the Big Ten will continue to get embarrassed in the Playoff.
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Post by tommygunn on Nov 13, 2016 8:32:18 GMT -5
OSU beats MSU by more than 2 scores and just beats Michigan at home, there is no way (even if we do not go to the Big Ten Championship game) that OSU gets bumped out of the top 4. No way.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 13, 2016 8:41:02 GMT -5
OSU beats MSU by more than 2 scores and just beats Michigan at home, there is no way (even if we do not go to the Big Ten Championship game) that OSU gets bumped out of the top 4. No way. I totally agree. No way in hell they bump a #2 ranked OSU, a blocked kick from a perfect season, gets booted from the final four. If that happened all credibility of this committee gets lost and the controversy begins.
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Post by cbus on Nov 13, 2016 10:52:04 GMT -5
BAD day for Ohio State. Iowa beats Michigan on a last second field goal. Unless something even weirder happens and Ohio State beats U of M, this means a 2 loss team wins the Big Ten Title and 1 loss Ohio State is out. If Wisconsin beats Penn State. Does the Committee take a 2 loss Big Ten Champion Wisconsin that Ohio State beat over a 1 loss Ohio State? OR even though the Big Ten is the best Conference, do they not take a Big Ten Team? Or if Penn St beats Wisconsin in the BIG Championship Game do they take Penn St? Penn St and Ohio St? Penn State's loss to Pitt is looking better but still Pitt has 4 losses. Any way you slice it, Ohio State no longer controls its own destiny.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 13, 2016 11:38:02 GMT -5
No way they take Penn State with four losses.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 13:00:41 GMT -5
NCAA and TV make$ way to much money off Ohio $tate'$ brand, Commercial 30/60 $econd time $lot$ go way up, Ticket price$, etc. No way will Ohio $tate be left out, Even if they don't play in the B1G championship, They're in. The powers of the NCAA and in TV are not that stupid. IF we win out, that's IF we beat TTUN State, and TTUN.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 13, 2016 13:11:47 GMT -5
1 Alabama - SEC Champ 2 Clemson - ACC Champ 3 Washington - Pac12 Champ 4 West Virginia - Big XII Champ
They are going to drop OSU from 2nd to 5th in the Final Rankings and say, no hardware = no playoffs. As if this is a real playoff. Mount Union just lost after winning 112 straight regular season games. That loss cost Mount Union a Conference Championship but it will not keep them out of the D-3 playoffs. In D3 they put the best teams into the playoff. The Big Boys just pick and choose 4 random teams and leave the best teams out. TCU in year 1, OSU in year 2 and 3.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 13, 2016 13:42:22 GMT -5
Latest Coaches Poll 1 Bama 2 Ohio State 3 Louisville 4 Michigan - watch out OSU is on the horizon 5 Clemson 6 Wisconsin - Ohio State beat them at Camp Randall 7 Washington 8 Oklahoma - Ohio State destroyed them in Norman, OK 9 West Virginia 10 Penn State - Ohio State lost on a fluke play in Happy Valley, after PSU got 2 weeks to prepare . . 17 Nebraska - Ohio State won by a measly 59 points
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 13, 2016 13:48:50 GMT -5
Oklahoma is playing as well as anyone in the Big 12. What if Oklahoma wins the Big 12 with 2 losses, without a playoff? They will not make the the Top 4. The Big 12 Champion will not get in the Final Four again.
IF Oklahoma wins the Big 12 Title. IF Ohio State beats U OF M and IF Wisconsin beats Penn State in the Big Ten Championship game. ALL plausible outcomes. Then, ONE loss Ohio State can say they beat TWO teams that won Power 5 Conference League Titles. No other team in the country can say that. I don't know how you can keep that team out of the 4 Team Playoff.
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Post by cbus on Nov 13, 2016 17:48:54 GMT -5
No way they take Penn State with four losses. Pen St is 8-2 (lost to Michigan and Pittsburgh) so if they win out they will have 2 losses. They lost to Pitt which has 4 losses.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 14, 2016 12:11:18 GMT -5
No way they take Penn State with four losses. Pen St is 8-2 (lost to Michigan and Pittsburgh) so if they win out they will have 2 losses. They lost to Pitt which has 4 losses. Thanks for the correction. I didn't even realize what I just typed....oops. You were referring to Pitts 4 losses of course. Penn State has been the surprise team in the Big Ten this year, for sure. I don't envision any two loss team in the final four.
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Post by frosty on Nov 14, 2016 14:02:37 GMT -5
The committee's main job is to select the four best at the end of the season. Conference champions should be considered but if they aren't playing as well in November as a three loss team too bad. USC is as dangerous as they come. Losing to Ala, Utah and Stanford all on the road early. They are playing good football and are just as impressive, if not more, than everyone at the top.
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Post by cbus on Nov 14, 2016 15:03:00 GMT -5
The committee has stated, in the past, how much they like to pick conference champs and that extra game helps a team's resume. I think it could mean we get 2 Big 10 teams this year if Penn St crushes Wisconsin. So it could be Alabama, Clemson, Penn St and Ohio St. If Washington looks good in the conference championship game and beats a top 10 Colorado then that could spoil the Big 10 party. The committee would have a tough decision between Ohio St and Penn St since PSU would be BIG champs and won the head to head. Or maybe if Clemson loses again we'll get Western Michigan (total Midwest domination).
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 14, 2016 16:38:55 GMT -5
There have been mixed reports on the status of M QB Wilton Speight. Some reports say he suffered a broken collarbone and is out for the season. While, Harbaugh stated today it will be a gameday decision to play him. Can't believe anything coming out of Ann Arbor.
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Post by tommygunn on Nov 14, 2016 21:21:57 GMT -5
UM is going to beat Penn St this week so it wont matter.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 14, 2016 22:44:46 GMT -5
There have been mixed reports on the status of M QB Wilton Speight. Some reports say he suffered a broken collarbone and is out for the season. While, Harbaugh stated today it will be a gameday decision to play him. Can't believe anything coming out of Ann Arbor. The "mixed reports" come from Harbaugh News being no different than what Pravda was. The collarbone IS broken. Being that it's the left collarbone I suppose Harbaugh could tell the trainers to tape him up like a mummy and shoot him full of pain killers and threaten Speight if he complains about the pain he'll put him out of his misery. BTW, did you know that Harbaugh NEVER puts out a 2-deep, from week 1 thru the end of the season? More deep dark secrets.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 14, 2016 22:52:35 GMT -5
The committee has stated, in the past, how much they like to pick conference champs and that extra game helps a team's resume. I think it could mean we get 2 Big 10 teams this year if Penn St crushes Wisconsin. So it could be Alabama, Clemson, Penn St and Ohio St. If Washington looks good in the conference championship game and beats a top 10 Colorado then that could spoil the Big 10 party. The committee would have a tough decision between Ohio St and Penn St since PSU would be BIG champs and won the head to head. Or maybe if Clemson loses again we'll get Western Michigan (total Midwest domination). Assuming Ohio State beats the 2 Up North schools. It's better for Ohio State if Wisconsin beats Penn State AND Oklahoma is Big 12 Champion, again without a Title game. Then Ohio State would be a 1 loss team that beat 2 of the Power 5 Conference Champions. No one else could say that. Add to that, Ohio State has the 2nd highest rated Strength of Schedule in the country. How could that team not make the playoffs?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 14, 2016 23:01:50 GMT -5
The committee's main job is to select the four best at the end of the season. Conference champions should be considered but if they aren't playing as well in November as a three loss team too bad. USC is as dangerous as they come. Losing to Ala, Utah and Stanford all on the road early. They are playing good football and are just as impressive, if not more, than everyone at the top. Exactly, in 2014 if Ohio State had beaten Wisconsin by 14 in the Big Ten Title game they would not have made the playoffs. It took a 60 point win to convince the committee Ohio State was 1 of the 4 best teams in the country, after the regular season. The committee admitted the domination of Wisconsin was the reason Ohio State got in, not that they were Big Ten Champs.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 19, 2016 15:27:16 GMT -5
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 19, 2016 15:31:36 GMT -5
NEVER, Purdue doesn't have a big enough football budget. AND Indiana has very few 4 and 5 star HS players. The best ones go to Ohio State and Notre Dame don't look now...but...i think Miles is going to Purdue Big-10 Network means everyone has a big enough football budget.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 26, 2016 16:54:13 GMT -5
so Herman lands in Texas like I called at the beginning of last season (damn you Nickardo and all the lost NOSF forums!) and it won't be long until he has that machine humming
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 26, 2016 17:15:32 GMT -5
hey i thought USC was home vs ND then i saw it was raining...where was this game played? couldn't have been CA
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2016 17:38:38 GMT -5
so Herman lands in Texas like I called at the beginning of last season (damn you Nickardo and all the lost NOSF forums!) and it won't be long until he has that machine humming A good stopping off point until Urban retires.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 27, 2016 7:23:30 GMT -5
The Heisman may not be quite the 'lock' as it once appeared. Lamar Jackson committed three key turnovers, including a game crushing fumble, in their loss to a very pedestrian Kentucky team.
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Post by tommygunn on Nov 27, 2016 12:38:37 GMT -5
Lamar Jackson better just stay in college. He is just another college qb that will not transition over in the NFL.
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Post by cbus on Nov 28, 2016 13:36:53 GMT -5
If we assume Alabama, Clemson, Washington and Penn St win conference championships then the number of AP Top 20 wins (based on the rankings as of 11/27/16) is Alabama-3 (Auburn, USC, Florida), Ohio St-3 (Oklahoma, Michigan, Wisconsin), Clemson-4 (Auburn, Louisville, Florida St, Virginia Tech) Washington-2 (Stanford, Colorado), Penn St-2 (Ohio St, Wisconsin). So I still don't think OSU is a lock since who knows exactly what the Committee is thinking. The guidelines for the Committee state: When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered: Championships won Strength of schedule Head-to-head competition (if it occurred) Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory)
So this only comes into play if OSU is deemed comparable to Washington, Penn St or Clemson. I think OSU should be above Washington no matter what happens. Although who knows they may just group all the 1 loss teams and conference champs together and say they are comparable. Then apply the tiebreakers described above.
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