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Post by Big Lex Fan on Feb 25, 2018 10:51:19 GMT -5
If Medina Buckeye is invited which sounds like they have been and they accept its a moot point. The OCC will stay intact at least for I'd say 2-3 years anyway.
I don't think Lex would be happby about Dover and New Philly but would be on board if it would would keep the OCC alive at least for a while. But I don't think there is a very good chance of that happening anyway. If anything I can see Ashland, Wooster, and West Holmes going east and teaming up with those schools. Lexington, Madison, and Mansfield Senior going to the SBC. I love that idea for strength of schedule in basketball. The ideal situation for Lex would be to have themselves and Madison join the MOAC from standpoint of travel and good gates. Also competition would be better suited for Lex in football. And I ramble on. JMHO
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Feb 25, 2018 18:31:38 GMT -5
You all know that the answer might be in front of our eyes. Look at the Div II basketball district. 14 team and add Madison and Ashland. You could have as follows...
North -
Sandusky
Perkins
Port Clinton
Vermilion
Tiffin Columbian
Clyde
Norwalk
Bellevue
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Mansfield Sr.
Ontario
Shelby
Lexington
Galion
Ashland
Clear Fork
Madison
Football play 7 division games and rotate two inter- conference games. That leaves 1 non conference game.
Basketball play a 15 game conference schedule. With 7 non conference games. Or a divisional round robbin of 14 games. And 7 inter- conference games. Leaving 1 non conference game. Or do some sort of rotation with the other division.
This probably makes to much sense for most our administration's to comprehend though. JMHO...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 25, 2018 20:38:14 GMT -5
Who ever told you that may have mislead you. The SBC has contacted multiple schools to join who are as far and further south than Ontario. Ontario was included in the original proposal by the SBC to the NOL. They were in the Bay. They removed themselves. There wasn't a scenario that they wanted to be a part of so they explored other options. Lex and Madison to the SBC will be interesting to watch play out. It's not even close to a slam dunk from either's perspective. Ontario didn't "remove" themselves. They never accepted the thoughtful invite. It was a rather safe bet they wouldn't. In the Bay Ontario would have meant trips of over an hour to PC, OH, Vermilion and Huron. There were no trips of over an hour in their other option, the MOAC. |
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Post by galion on Feb 25, 2018 20:39:34 GMT -5
Except for the part where Ashland has a d2 football program that actually expects to make the playoffs. They can't exactly afford to be playing 4 schools a season who are d4 or lower and mediocre at best football programs. Shelby and CF this season were not typical years for either team.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 25, 2018 20:54:34 GMT -5
You all know that the answer might be in front of our eyes. Look at the Div II basketball district. 14 team and add Madison and Ashland. You could have as follows... North - Sandusky Perkins Port Clinton Vermilion Tiffin Columbian Clyde Norwalk Bellevue South - Mansfield Sr. Ontario Shelby Lexington Galion Ashland Clear Fork Madison Football play 7 division games and rotate two inter- conference games. That leaves 1 non conference game. Basketball play a 15 game conference schedule. With 7 non conference games. Or a divisional round robbin of 14 games. And 7 inter- conference games. Leaving 1 non conference game. Or do some sort of rotation with the other division. This probably makes to much sense for most our administration's to comprehend though. JMHO... First of all, that looks like 2 different leagues unto themselves, who needs the SBC? Who needs required cross over games? Why require 15 games in basketball?? A 14 game round robin schedule is done by most all 8 school leagues. Vermilion and PC won't be in favor, they both were promised they would not have to be in a division with those other 6 schools. Huron and Oak Harbor won't be happy with you tossing them under the bus. What does Willard and Margaretta do, there isn't room for them in the the River with 3 new schools coming into the River. West Holmes, Wooster and Mt. Vernon will feel like Ontario, Galion and Upper when they were deserted by the N-10. Clear Fork left the OCC, because they they no longer wanted to play in the same league with Senior, Lex, Ashland and Madison. Galion is even smaller than Clear Fork. Why doesn't Lex want to be the 8th member of the MOAC? JMHO |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 8:35:04 GMT -5
You all know that the answer might be in front of our eyes. Look at the Div II basketball district. 14 team and add Madison and Ashland. You could have as follows... North - Sandusky Perkins Port Clinton Vermilion Tiffin Columbian Clyde Norwalk Bellevue South - Mansfield Sr. Ontario Shelby Lexington Galion Ashland Clear Fork Madison Football play 7 division games and rotate two inter- conference games. That leaves 1 non conference game. Basketball play a 15 game conference schedule. With 7 non conference games. Or a divisional round robbin of 14 games. And 7 inter- conference games. Leaving 1 non conference game. Or do some sort of rotation with the other division. This probably makes to much sense for most our administration's to comprehend though. JMHO... The South you list would be a good local league by itself. Two or three schools would have to step up to make that happen. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 26, 2018 20:33:32 GMT -5
If you weren't afraid to read all posts you could follow the logic why it will not happen....at least not at this moment in time.
1) Clear Fork left the OCC so they would no longer have to play Lex, Madison, Mansfield Senior and Ashland. They no longer wanted to be by far the smallest school.
2) Galion is even smaller than Clear Fork and once before chose not to play in a DI League.
3) Ontario, Shelby, Clear Fork and Galion are happy with the MOAC.
4) I realize Lex is a HUGE fan of "local" leagues. This one will make them the 4th largest school. I know, you'd say they don't care about size. SO, why not become a member of the MOAC? That way Lex can play the 4 schools they really want to play? Then, only ONE school would have to "step up".
JMHO
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Feb 26, 2018 22:49:23 GMT -5
I do realize that my suggestion would probably never happen. I am not saying that the MOAC would not necessarily be a good fit. But I would offer that Lex does like to play and isn't afraid of the bigger schools. They also would love to stay with Mansfield, Madison, and Ashland if possible. I have also heard people say that not everyone is feeling good about inviting Lexington to the MOAC. I would also say that the MOAC would be a great fit for Lex in football. Not that they would dominate but could be competitive on a year to year basis. Willard you asked how Wooster, West Holmes, and Mt. Vernon feel if the other schools in the OCC went another direction. Well it's those schools that have been rumored to be headed east and or south for some time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 8:44:23 GMT -5
BLF, as long as Galion and Ontario are afraid of being in a league with Lexington the MOAC will not be an option. This has been discussed with by people in charge from all schools. Clear Fork would like to be in a league with Lexington as they see the rivalry and the support at all the sports contests. The internal push for CF to leave a league with Lexington began with talks questioning being able to compete with Mansfield, Wooster and Ashland. When Orrville left and Mt Vernon joined it gave additional firepower to a very vocal money sport coach to get what he wanted.
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Post by galion on Feb 27, 2018 9:59:40 GMT -5
Seems to be working out quite well for CF so far wouldn't you say?
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Post by mrsteel on Feb 27, 2018 11:02:17 GMT -5
BLF, as long as Galion and Ontario are afraid of being in a league with Lexington the MOAC will not be an option. This has been discussed with by people in charge from all schools. Clear Fork would like to be in a league with Lexington as they see the rivalry and the support at all the sports contests. The internal push for CF to leave a league with Lexington began with talks questioning being able to compete with Mansfield, Wooster and Ashland. When Orrville left and Mt Vernon joined it gave additional firepower to a very vocal money sport coach to get what he wanted. So Ontario and galion are afraid of big bad lex, BUT CF gets the pass because of other schools? Has Ontario been in a league with Lex? Have they not competed in every sport year after year? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 11:21:39 GMT -5
BLF, as long as Galion and Ontario are afraid of being in a league with Lexington the MOAC will not be an option. This has been discussed with by people in charge from all schools. Clear Fork would like to be in a league with Lexington as they see the rivalry and the support at all the sports contests. The internal push for CF to leave a league with Lexington began with talks questioning being able to compete with Mansfield, Wooster and Ashland. When Orrville left and Mt Vernon joined it gave additional firepower to a very vocal money sport coach to get what he wanted. So Ontario and galion are afraid of big bad lex, BUT CF gets the pass because of other schools? Has Ontario been in a league with Lex? Have they not competed in every sport year after year? Nobody said that Lexington was big or bad and nobody has been given a pass. The statement was made about Lexington joining the MOAC. That cannot happen if 2 of the schools have no interest in being in a league with them. Not since 1980 in the Johnny Appleseed. They compete in most sports so why would you be against a league. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 11:29:25 GMT -5
Seems to be working out quite well for CF so far wouldn't you say? 10-0 in football and 17-5 in boys basketball is very good. But most knew this year was not going to be a 3-7 in football or 5-16 in basketball this year regardless of the league they were in. |
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Post by unc4life on Feb 27, 2018 13:09:31 GMT -5
I think the main thing that people get wrong with Lexington is that they are a big school, with smaller numbers. What I mean by that is they they excel in sports that are normally only found in bigger schools or schools with larger enrollment , swimming, soccer, tennis, golf. I know the MOAC has golf and soccer and tennis, but there is zero chance Lexington Tennis would want to have to play many of these schools, and not having swimming would be a big deal. It's one of the reasons despite being a smaller school in the OCC they fit so well. It's got to be more then just numbers.
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Post by mrsteel on Feb 27, 2018 13:47:31 GMT -5
So Ontario and galion are afraid of big bad lex, BUT CF gets the pass because of other schools? Has Ontario been in a league with Lex? Have they not competed in every sport year after year? Nobody said that Lexington was big or bad and nobody has been given a pass. The statement was made about Lexington joining the MOAC. That cannot happen if 2 of the schools have no interest in being in a league with them. Not since 1980 in the Johnny Appleseed. They compete in most sports so why would you be against a league. Its the same reason as CF. They probably don't mind Lex at all (as proven). It was the Sum of the league. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 14:15:41 GMT -5
Clear Fork would vote Lexington into the MOAC today. Ontario would not.
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Post by galion on Feb 27, 2018 14:30:43 GMT -5
I think the main thing that people get wrong with Lexington is that they are a big school, with smaller numbers. What I mean by that is they they excel in sports that are normally only found in bigger schools or schools with larger enrollment , swimming, soccer, tennis, golf. I know the MOAC has golf and soccer and tennis, but there is zero chance Lexington Tennis would want to have to play many of these schools, and not having swimming would be a big deal. It's one of the reasons despite being a smaller school in the OCC they fit so well. It's got to be more then just numbers. Uh, the MOAC has swimming. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 27, 2018 19:20:39 GMT -5
I do realize that my suggestion would probably never happen. I am not saying that the MOAC would not necessarily be a good fit. But I would offer that Lex does like to play and isn't afraid of the bigger schools. They also would love to stay with Mansfield, Madison, and Ashland if possible. I have also heard people say that not everyone is feeling good about inviting Lexington to the MOAC. I would also say that the MOAC would be a great fit for Lex in football. Not that they would dominate but could be competitive on a year to year basis. Willard you asked how Wooster, West Holmes, and Mt. Vernon feel if the other schools in the OCC went another direction. Well it's those schools that have been rumored to be headed east and or south for some time. Yet they stay and the newest talk is about Lex, Senior and Madison leaving |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 27, 2018 19:22:19 GMT -5
Seems to be working out quite well for CF so far wouldn't you say? 10-0 in football and 17-5 in boys basketball is very good. But most knew this year was not going to be a 3-7 in football or 5-16 in basketball this year regardless of the league they were in. And history in the OCC has no bearing? |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 27, 2018 19:24:39 GMT -5
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Feb 27, 2018 23:02:07 GMT -5
I do realize that my suggestion would probably never happen. I am not saying that the MOAC would not necessarily be a good fit. But I would offer that Lex does like to play and isn't afraid of the bigger schools. They also would love to stay with Mansfield, Madison, and Ashland if possible. I have also heard people say that not everyone is feeling good about inviting Lexington to the MOAC. I would also say that the MOAC would be a great fit for Lex in football. Not that they would dominate but could be competitive on a year to year basis. Willard you asked how Wooster, West Holmes, and Mt. Vernon feel if the other schools in the OCC went another direction. Well it's those schools that have been rumored to be headed east and or south for some time. Yet they stay and the newest talk is about Lex, Senior and Maxdison leaving Only protecting there interests. |
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Feb 27, 2018 23:08:52 GMT -5
I think the main thing that people get wrong with Lexington is that they are a big school, with smaller numbers. What I mean by that is they they excel in sports that are normally only found in bigger schools or schools with larger enrollment , swimming, soccer, tennis, golf. I know the MOAC has golf and soccer and tennis, but there is zero chance Lexington Tennis would want to have to play many of these schools, and not having swimming would be a big deal. It's one of the reasons despite being a smaller school in the OCC they fit so well. It's got to be more then just numbers. [br) Very good points, UNC. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 8:24:00 GMT -5
I think the main thing that people get wrong with Lexington is that they are a big school, with smaller numbers. What I mean by that is they they excel in sports that are normally only found in bigger schools or schools with larger enrollment , swimming, soccer, tennis, golf. I know the MOAC has golf and soccer and tennis, but there is zero chance Lexington Tennis would want to have to play many of these schools, and not having swimming would be a big deal. It's one of the reasons despite being a smaller school in the OCC they fit so well. It's got to be more then just numbers. [br) Very good points, UNC. Accurate in many ways and maybe the reasons Ontario and Galion would vote no. An Ontario officials says they will never join a league with Lexington and Galion will not play Lexington varsity sports. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 9:01:46 GMT -5
Medina Buckeye has visited every OCC site and inspected each schools facilities.
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Post by kingmartinez on Mar 28, 2018 16:37:37 GMT -5
Medina Buckeye has visited every OCC site and inspected each schools facilities. And? Madison informed the SBC last week that another school was interested in the OCC so it appeared like they were going to see that through before deciding to proceed with the SBC option. That opportunity (SBC) may not be there for long. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 21:12:34 GMT -5
And, Medina Buckeye has visited all 7 OCC schools. If the SBC has a time limit to their interest in Madison so what. The SBC will have no influence on Medina Buckeye. If Madison really wanted the SBC then then Medina Buckeye would not stop them.
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Post by kingmartinez on Mar 28, 2018 21:22:54 GMT -5
And, Medina Buckeye has visited all 7 OCC schools. If the SBC has a time limit to their interest in Madison so what. The SBC will have no influence on Medina Buckeye. If Madison really wanted the SBC then then Medina Buckeye would not stop them. The OCC is a much better fit for Madison than the SBC. It appears they were using it as leverage or in a panic that things may crumble with the possiblity Mount Vernon might be heading south. |
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 28, 2018 22:19:30 GMT -5
Medina Buckeye has visited every OCC site and inspected each schools facilities. Did they find everything up to code? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 22:22:11 GMT -5
And, Medina Buckeye has visited all 7 OCC schools. If the SBC has a time limit to their interest in Madison so what. The SBC will have no influence on Medina Buckeye. If Madison really wanted the SBC then then Medina Buckeye would not stop them. The OCC is a much better fit for Madison than the SBC. It appears they were using it as leverage or in a panic that things may crumble with the possiblity Mount Vernon might be heading south. I doubt anyone was using anyone for anything as I don’t think there were any decisions made because Madison approached the SBC and there still have been no decisions made. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 22:23:15 GMT -5
Medina Buckeye has visited every OCC site and inspected each schools facilities. Did they find everything up to code? I was told they had no issues with anything. |
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