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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 10, 2018 23:13:20 GMT -5
If the OCC and MOAC stay at 7 schools each they could make a deal that they play each other in their open dates in weeks 4-10. Clear Fork-West Holmes Harding-Mount Vernon Ontario-Mansfield Shelby-Lexington Galion-Madison Pleasant-Ashland River Valley-Wooster Or something along those lines. Mount Vernon and Wooster really throw a wrench in it. Sorry if any of you find this to be an ignorant idea Smallest vs Smallest Pleasant-WH Galion-Lex CF-Mansfield Ontario-Madison Shelby-Ashland RV-Wooster Harding-Mt.Vernon Equal Distances Ontario-Wooster CF-WH Shelby-Ashland Galion-Madison RV-Lex Harding-Mansfield Pleasant-Mt.V Best Programs vs Best Programs Shelby-Ashland Pleasant-Mansfield CF-Wooster Harding-Mt.V Galion-Madison RV-Lex Ontario-WH Shelby currently plays Madison and Lex Ontario currently plays Lex |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 10, 2018 23:20:33 GMT -5
What about these 14 schools in 2 Divisions of 7?
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Ashland...Sandusky
Madison...Clyde
Mansfield..Perkins
Lex..........PC
TC...........Vermilion
Norwalk....Huron
Bellevue...Edison
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LAKE........BAY
Ashland....Lex
Madison....Perkins
Mansfield..Bellevue
TC............PC
Norwalk....Vermilion
Sandusky..Huron
Clyde........Edison
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Post by galion on May 11, 2018 2:39:25 GMT -5
I can see a deal involving ooc football games but I don't see any of those schools agreeing to some type of merger involving that much travel.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 14:29:27 GMT -5
Ontario will be very resistant to any merger with OCC teams. Their admins have said many times they will never be in a league with Lexington. Galion has no interest in playin an OCC team in any sport.
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Post by A no.1 on May 11, 2018 16:45:22 GMT -5
Ontario will be very resistant to any merger with OCC teams. Their admins have said many times they will never be in a league with Lexington. Galion has no interest in playin an OCC team in any sport. What is the reason why Ontario refuses to be in a league with Lexington? Why does Galion have no interest in playing an OCC team? Not long ago they play Mansfield Sr. in football. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 11, 2018 19:56:43 GMT -5
Ontario will be very resistant to any merger with OCC teams. Their admins have said many times they will never be in a league with Lexington. Galion has no interest in playin an OCC team in any sport. What is the reason why Ontario refuses to be in a league with Lexington? Why does Galion have no interest in playing an OCC team? Not long ago they play Mansfield Sr. in football. What is the reason for your lack of knowledge concerning Ontario and Lexington?? Ontario has been in TWO leagues with Lex. One for 12 years and the other for 15 years. Do your homework. ACTUALLY when the NCC booted Upper, Galion and Ontario, the OCC promised them they could put together a 2 Division OCC that would include those 3 schools. Ontario was on board, but the OCC FAILED to come through. SO, Ontario joined the Big Bad NOL, as the next to smallest school. At the time slightly larger than Willard. Sandusky TC and Norwalk were/are all larger than Lex. Ontario has NEVER left a league to join another league. EVERY time the league Ontario was in imploded, the OCC DID NOT have an opening. Personally, I would have absolutely NOTHING against Lex becoming the 8th member of the MOAC. I have a disdain for 2 Division Leagues with mandated cross over games. If you weren't a teenager you would know that was what killed the NCC and got Ontario thrown under the bus. I do not want to go through that again. I would MUCH rather be in a 7 school league. Which is NO problem for 20+ sports. I could deal with finding the 4th non-league game in ONE sport. I can't speak for Galion, but think about it. Probably the same reason Lex, Madison, Mansfield and Ashland don't want to play schools with 800 boys. |
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Post by GHS 1999 on May 11, 2018 20:08:47 GMT -5
I’m gonna agree with you WF. This Tiger fan would have no problem with Lex in the MOAC.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 11, 2018 20:22:00 GMT -5
Ontario will be very resistant to any merger with OCC teams. Their admins have said many times they will never be in a league with Lexington. Galion has no interest in playin an OCC team in any sport. Don't be such a hater dunce dude. You think Pleasant would be in favor?? Clear Fork just LEFT the OCC! River Valley would be looking for a new league. Two schools in the OCC are double the size of Galion the others are at least 50% larger. Ontario has a new Superintendent, next year will have a new AD and new assistant principal. A new administration. Get your head out of the sand ostrich dude. Read all posts ostrich dude. Ontario would be the least of YOUR worries in a merger. Your Lex Big Head doesn't look good. There are issues with other schools more so than your perceived big bad Lex. |
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Post by A no.1 on May 11, 2018 22:11:36 GMT -5
What is the reason why Ontario refuses to be in a league with Lexington? Why does Galion have no interest in playing an OCC team? Not long ago they play Mansfield Sr. in football. What is the reason for your lack of knowledge concerning Ontario and Lexington?? Ontario has been in TWO leagues with Lex. One for 12 years and the other for 15 years. Do your homework. ACTUALLY when the NCC booted Upper, Galion and Ontario, the OCC promised them they could put together a 2 Division OCC that would include those 3 schools. Ontario was on board, but the OCC FAILED to come through. SO, Ontario joined the Big Bad NOL, as the next to smallest school. At the time slightly larger than Willard. Sandusky TC and Norwalk were/are all larger than Lex. Ontario has NEVER left a league to join another league. EVERY time the league Ontario was in imploded, the OCC DID NOT have an opening. Personally, I would have absolutely NOTHING against Lex becoming the 8th member of the MOAC. I have a disdain for 2 Division Leagues with mandated cross over games. If you weren't a teenager you would know that was what killed the NCC and got Ontario thrown under the bus. I do not want to go through that again. I would MUCH rather be in a 7 school league. Which is NO problem for 20+ sports. I could deal with finding the 4th non-league game in ONE sport. I can't speak for Galion, but think about it. Probably the same reason Lex, Madison, Mansfield and Ashland don't want to play schools with 800 boys. Good grief. All I did was ask two questions but instead you jump my azz by saying I have no knowledge and I'm a teenager. Do you know me personally? GTFO here! I didn't need the history lesson from you because I already know what happened. No reason to be a dick about it. I was replying to Dude anyway. I didn't ask for opinions. I want facts, if any, on why Ontario doesn't want to be in a league with Lexington or Galion not wanting to play OCC schools. Is it truth or a lie? That's all I'm asking. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 23:49:38 GMT -5
I really don’t know the reason or if there is one. All I know is that I have heard, directly from one current admin and had others who are involved with Ontario athletics that say they have been told, Ontario will never join a league with Lexington.
Galion has been asked to play OCC schools in multiple sports for numerous years and has rejected the idea. The current AD has looked to schedule away from them in football and basketball.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 8:10:06 GMT -5
I’m gonna agree with you WF. This Tiger fan would have no problem with Lex in the MOAC. They won’t even play them in a game so I can’t see them in a league anytime soon. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 12, 2018 10:06:38 GMT -5
If YOU want to see Lex play Ontario and Galion so bad, join the MOAC. They have an opening. Oh, I forgot, Ontario already plays Lex in most sports and have for SEVENTY years. What makes you think everyone is afraid of your BIG BAD Lexington?? All but one OCC school is bigger and some schools in some sports in some years are badder.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 12, 2018 10:20:21 GMT -5
I really don’t know the reason or if there is one. All I know is that I have heard, directly from one current admin and had others who are involved with Ontario athletics that say they have been told, Ontario will never join a league with Lexington. Galion has been asked to play OCC schools in multiple sports for numerous years and has rejected the idea. The current AD has looked to schedule away from them in football and basketball. UNTRUTHFUL AGAIN!! Ontario was all in when the OCC said they would create a 2 Division OCC that would include, Galion, Upper and Ontario, when they were kicked out of the NCC, but the OCC FAILED. Why should any school believe what the OCC says they'll do now? Why doesn't Lexington schedule schools that have 800 boys? They same diccotomy your asking of Galion. The telling part of this post. "I really don't know the reason or if there is one." You admit to being clueless. That and third hand information with no names given. You CANNOT be believed. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 12, 2018 10:37:17 GMT -5
What is the reason for your lack of knowledge concerning Ontario and Lexington?? Ontario has been in TWO leagues with Lex. One for 12 years and the other for 15 years. Do your homework. ACTUALLY when the NCC booted Upper, Galion and Ontario, the OCC promised them they could put together a 2 Division OCC that would include those 3 schools. Ontario was on board, but the OCC FAILED to come through. SO, Ontario joined the Big Bad NOL, as the next to smallest school. At the time slightly larger than Willard. Sandusky TC and Norwalk are all bigger and badder than than Lex. Ontario has NEVER left a league to join another league. EVERY time the league Ontario was in imploded, the OCC DID NOT have an opening. Personally, I would have absolutely NOTHING against Lex becoming the 8th member of the MOAC. I have a disdain for 2 Division Leagues with mandated cross over games. If you weren't a teenager you would know that was what killed the NCC and got Ontario thrown under the bus. I do not want to go through that again. I would MUCH rather be in a 7 school league. Which is NO problem for 20+ sports. I could deal with finding the 4th non-league game in ONE sport. I can't speak for Galion, but think about it. Probably the same reason Lex, Madison, Mansfield and Ashland don't want to play schools with 800 boys. Good grief. All I did was ask two questions but instead you jump my azz by saying I have no knowledge and I'm a teenager. Do you know me personally? GTFO here! I didn't need the history lesson from you because I already know what happened. No reason to be a dick about it. I was replying to Dude anyway. I didn't ask for opinions. I want facts, if any, on why Ontario doesn't want to be in a league with Lexington or Galion not wanting to play OCC schools. Is it truth or a lie? That's all I'm asking. Holy cow. You asked unworthy questions, obviously meant as put downs. You could have been knowledgeable if you did a little research. You must be young if you don't remember when and why the NCC came to an end. Very few on here know the other 1000 members. PLEASE, tell us all about yourself, maybe that will explain your questions. We can see by your "GTFO and "dick" that you have an ignorant ugly mouth. If you ONLY wanted dude to answer you question, they you should have said so. BTW, he knows very little about Ontario, so he would not have been able to answer your questions about Ontario with much authority. As you see, dude answered by saying Ontario is afraid of Lexington. With ZERO verifiable specifics. He's also a big chicken, afraid to read all posts. Not the person you should be asking questions about Ontario. I gave you MANY facts. You insultingly asked why Ontario refuses to play in the same league with Lexington. I gave you the FACT that Ontario has played in the same league with Lexington for 27 years. I gave you the FACT that every time Ontario was without a league there WAS NOT an opening in the OCC. I gave you the FACT about Ontario being all in on the 2 Division OCC that was promised for for Upper, Galion and Ontario when they were kicked out of the NCC, but the OCC FAILED to come through. The ONLY answer dude had was his OPINION that Ontario is afraid of Lexington. How can that be, when they have played each other in most sports for 70 years! Another FACT. |
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Post by A no.1 on May 12, 2018 16:10:54 GMT -5
Holy cow. You asked unworthy questions, obviously meant as put downs. You could have been knowledgeable if you did a little research. You must be young if you don't remember when and why the NCC came to an end. Very few on here know the other 1000 members. PLEASE, tell us all about yourself, maybe that will explain your questions. We can see by your "GTFO and "dick" that you have an ignorant ugly mouth. If you ONLY wanted dude to answer you question, they you should have said so. BTW, he knows very little about Ontario, so he would not have been able to answer your questions about Ontario with much authority. As you see, dude answered by saying Ontario is afraid of Lexington. With ZERO verifiable specifics. He's also a big chicken, afraid to read all posts. Not the person you should be asking questions about Ontario. I gave you MANY facts. You insultingly asked why Ontario refuses to play in the same league with Lexington. I gave you the FACT that Ontario has played in the same league with Lexington for 27 years. I gave you the FACT that every time Ontario was without a league there WAS NOT an opening in the OCC. I gave you the FACT about Ontario being all in on the 2 Division OCC that was promised for for Upper, Galion and Ontario when they were kicked out of the NCC, but the OCC FAILED to come through. The ONLY answer dude had was his OPINION that Ontario is afraid of Lexington. How can that be, when they have played each other in most sports for 70 years! Another FACT. I only wanted to know if it was truth or a lie. That's it. Again, I don't need the history lesson because I already know. Honestly, I don't give a flying fart what happened to your beloved Ontario and their previous leagues. Just because I don't post a lot doesn't mean I'm not knowledgeable of high school sports in this area. As you can see, I quoted Dude and expected a reply from him directly, not you. He replied and I'm satisfied with his response. You on the other hand can continue to blow hot air. I'm not interested in your opinions. Dude answered my question. I'm out. You may now have the last word. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 16:49:13 GMT -5
Why is Fillmore allowed to berate people with no repercussions?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 17:01:57 GMT -5
Because his words carry no weight. He is an angry old man that has spent his adult life in the stands of junior high and high school sports to the point were he now feels his opinion counts. Add in the fact that now is his retired years he has the time to talk to a couple Ontario coaches plus the occasional AD conversation and Wham, then feels he is informed. :-D
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 13, 2018 11:53:02 GMT -5
Why is Fillmore allowed to berate people with no repercussions? Because you're allowed to berate people. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 13, 2018 12:08:41 GMT -5
Because his words carry no weight. He is an angry old man that has spent his adult life in the stands of junior high and high school sports to the point were he now feels his opinion counts. Add in the fact that now is his retired years he has the time to talk to a couple Ontario coaches plus the occasional AD conversation and Wham, then feels he is informed. :-D  More informed than you about Ontario AND the OCC or you would mentioned the same FACTS I have. Instead of just saying Ontario is afraid to play Lexington. You're obviously a crotchety unemployable dude. It has to take you multiple hours every per day, every week to come up with all the information you claim to have when you tell us you know more about almost ALL of the school districts in North Central Ohio, than the people who live in them. Conveniently without mentioning the supposed myriad of sources. I have no problem mentioning what coaches and administrators that give me info. That and being to chicken to read all post means you're often uninformed. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 13, 2018 12:23:17 GMT -5
Holy cow. You asked unworthy questions, obviously meant as put downs. You could have been knowledgeable if you did a little research. You must be young if you don't remember when and why the NCC came to an end. Very few on here know the other 1000 members. PLEASE, tell us all about yourself, maybe that will explain your questions. We can see by your "GTFO and "dick" that you have an ignorant ugly mouth. If you ONLY wanted dude to answer you question, they you should have said so. BTW, he knows very little about Ontario, so he would not have been able to answer your questions about Ontario with much authority. As you see, dude answered by saying Ontario is afraid of Lexington. With ZERO verifiable specifics. He's also a big chicken, afraid to read all posts. Not the person you should be asking questions about Ontario. I gave you MANY facts. You insultingly asked why Ontario refuses to play in the same league with Lexington. I gave you the FACT that Ontario has played in the same league with Lexington for 27 years. I gave you the FACT that every time Ontario was without a league there WAS NOT an opening in the OCC. I gave you the FACT about Ontario being all in on the 2 Division OCC that was promised for for Upper, Galion and Ontario when they were kicked out of the NCC, but the OCC FAILED to come through. The ONLY answer dude had was his OPINION that Ontario is afraid of Lexington. How can that be, when they have played each other in most sports for 70 years! Another FACT. I only wanted to know if it was truth or a lie. That's it. Again, I don't need the history lesson because I already know. Honestly, I don't give a flying fart what happened to your beloved Ontario and their previous leagues. Just because I don't post a lot doesn't mean I'm not knowledgeable of high school sports in this area. As you can see, I quoted Dude and expected a reply from him directly, not you. He replied and I'm satisfied with his response. You on the other hand can continue to blow hot air. I'm not interested in your opinions. Dude answered my question. I'm out. You may now have the last word. Dude only gives his OPINION that Ontario is afraid to play Lexington. I supply FACTS to prove he's being untruthful AGAIN. I give you the FACT that Ontario HAS played in the same league with Lexington for 27 years. It is a FACT that Ontario has played Lexington in most sports for 70 years. I also gave the FACT that when Ontario was without a league, the OCC did not have an opening. I also gave the FACT that Ontario was on board with the 2 Division OCC that would include Upper, Galion and Ontario after the NCC imploded, but the OCC failed to come through. I gave you multiple FACTS, dude gave you a nothing burger OPINION. You CLAIM to know that history, yet you ask why Ontario refuses to play in the same league with Lexington??? |
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Post by ohioraised on May 14, 2018 21:13:22 GMT -5
As part of the OCC at the time, the new N10 was announced in December of 2011 to start play in fall of 2014 The OCC offer was made in early 2012 to add Ontario, Galion and Upper if a 12th team could be located and divisions would be set up for the 2014-15 season. During the OCC's search Ontario announced in March of 2012 they were joining the NOL. To provide facts, the OCC never failed, it was never giving the chance to succeed. This change could have made a difference in Clear Fork leaving the OCC.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 14, 2018 21:38:36 GMT -5
The "West" OCC Division was hoped to be Upper, Galion, Ontario, Clear Fork, Lexington and either Shelby or Willard. The OCC failed to convince either Willard or Shelby to be the 12th school, their best hopes, if not only. So Ontario felt it had to make a move to the NCC where Willard and Shelby were staying. Instead of sitting around waiting/hoping and ending up an independent. As they knew Upper and Galion were joining the MOAC, due to also knowing the OCC couldn't get Willard or Shelby.
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Post by ohioraised on May 14, 2018 22:37:51 GMT -5
The "West" OCC Division was hoped to be Upper, Galion, Ontario, Clear Fork, Lexington and either Shelby or Willard. The OCC failed to convince either Willard or Shelby to be the 12th school, their best hopes, if not only. So Ontario felt it had to make a move to the NCC where Willard and Shelby were staying. Instead of sitting around waiting/hoping and ending up an independent. As they knew Upper and Galion were joining the MOAC, due to also knowing the OCC couldn't get Willard or Shelby. Ontario felt it had to make a move to the NCC? The OCC did not even mention this expansion to Galion or Ontario until February. By March when Ontario announced they were leaving the NCC a year early the OCC did not have a response back from Shelby, Willard or Upper if they were interested in the idea. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 14, 2018 23:03:12 GMT -5
Some ADs knew in early October of 2011 that the NCC was in trouble. At the time I knew the NCC was dead in November of 2011. ADs don't talk to each other? Some OCC NCC and OCC ADs were "unofficially" talking long before December of 2012. Shelby and Willard promised the NOL they weren't leaving long before 2012, Ontario knew about the promise.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 9:37:41 GMT -5
As part of the OCC at the time, the new N10 was announced in December of 2011 to start play in fall of 2014 The OCC offer was made in early 2012 to add Ontario, Galion and Upper if a 12th team could be located and divisions would be set up for the 2014-15 season. During the OCC's search Ontario announced in March of 2012 they were joining the NOL. To provide facts, the OCC never failed, it was never giving the chance to succeed. This change could have made a difference in Clear Fork leaving the OCC. Actually the OCC placed the offer on the shoulders of the abandoned schools. It was not a direct invite offer, it was more of an opportunity to join if they could find a school that got them to 12. Nothing really developed and the abandoned schools all made quick moves before the OCC offer ever had a chance to materialize. |
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Post by ohioraised on May 19, 2018 8:24:12 GMT -5
We were wanting Galion and Ontario to join the OCC back then. We may still be in the OCC if they had. Everything happened so fast and before anything could get done Galion and Ontario were gone.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 19, 2018 21:54:26 GMT -5
According to what dude said above it sounds like the OCC didn't want Galion and Ontario that bad. He said "the OCC put it on the shoulders of the abandoned teams" to find another school. I've never heard of such a thing like that about a league that supposedly wanted to expand. The truth be known, there were schools that didn't want Ontario, Galion and Upper. If Clear Fork wanted them so bad why didn't they do something?
What happened to Triway? Clear Fork beat them out for the 8th spot in the OCC. After the OCC offered Upper, Galion and Ontario, why couldn't they get Triway? Who WANTED in the OCC? dude has told us over the years that Shelby looked at the OCC several times. Why couldn't they get Shelby?
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Post by ohiohshelmets on May 20, 2018 7:25:06 GMT -5
Triway did not want to be in a league with the schools much bigger than them. That is why they went to the PAC-7 instead. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 20, 2018 16:25:21 GMT -5
In 2003 Triway and Clear Fork were the 2 finalists for the 8th spot in the OCC, They both played in the Mohican Area Conference when it broke up. Only after Triway failed to get in the OCC, did they go to the PAC-7 in 2005.
Another school that didn't want the OCC due to their DI schools?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 8:02:09 GMT -5
Triway did not want to be in a league with the schools much bigger than them. That is why they went to the PAC-7 instead. At the time Triway's biggest objection was Wooster. They played them in many sports but did not want to be locked in to playing them in every sport or every season. |
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More informed than you about Ontario AND the OCC or you would mentioned the same FACTS I have. Instead of just saying Ontario is afraid to play Lexington. 
