MOAC 2016

[GHS 1999]

Aug 16, 2016 14:02:57 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

What a coach is looking for can change over time. A coach takes over a program that has been historically a losing program, he is looking to schedule non-leagues games his team can win. That gets more kids out and keeps them out. Once the program improves and is a playing over .500 in the league. The coach is looking to schedule non-leagues to help prepare for the top teams in the league. When the program gets to the point of regularly competing for league titles, he's looking for non-league games that will help get his teams into the playoffs and seeding. Should depend on what the coach is looking for at a given moment in time.

Another factor can be all the conference instability we've seen in recent years. For example Galion had Colonel Crawford and Bucyrus from 2002-10 in weeks 2 and 3. After they joined the NCC, they picked up Chippewa and Keystone which were both long trips and not good games. But sometimes you have to get who you get. If I'm not mistaken, did Pleasant play a team or two in extreme Southern Ohio?

[babymaker]

Aug 16, 2016 21:35:40 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

Aug 16, 2016 14:02:57 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

What a coach is looking for can change over time. A coach takes over a program that has been historically a losing program, he is looking to schedule non-leagues games his team can win. That gets more kids out and keeps them out. Once the program improves and is a playing over .500 in the league. The coach is looking to schedule non-leagues to help prepare for the top teams in the league. When the program gets to the point of regularly competing for league titles, he's looking for non-league games that will help get his teams into the playoffs and seeding. Should depend on what the coach is looking for at a given moment in time.

Another factor can be all the conference instability we've seen in recent years. For example Galion had Colonel Crawford and Bucyrus from 2002-10 in weeks 2 and 3. After they joined the NCC, they picked up Chippewa and Keystone which were both long trips and not good games. But sometimes you have to get who you get. If I'm not mistaken, did Pleasant play a team or two in extreme Southern Ohio?

Due to the AD messing up contract in week 1 they were left with an open game and ended up in Kentucky OK not exactly but pretty damn close. Week 2 was open because Cardington dropped them not sure if the broke contract or non renewed. So then end up with a trip to Cinnci to get a game. So not by choice but by necessity. 

[GHS 1999]

I know they play Bucyrus Week 3. Do they play either of those schools this year?

[stanley]

Ballinger still the AD over at Pleasant?

[usa70pp]

Aug 17, 2016 5:36:52 GMT -5 stanley said:

Ballinger still the AD over at Pleasant?

He is at Harding in an admin position.
Pleasant plays the team from Cincinnati this year in the first game of the season.

[babymaker]

Correction they play a Cinnci team but it is not the same team. No they do not repeat either of those games they were only a 1 year contract.

[stanley]

Aug 17, 2016 6:19:05 GMT -5 usa70pp said:

Aug 17, 2016 5:36:52 GMT -5 stanley said:

Ballinger still the AD over at Pleasant?

He is at Harding in an admin position.
Pleasant plays the team from Cincinnati this year in the first game of the season.

Ok thanks for the info.

[galiontiger]

I get what you guys are saying. I heard we always start with Bucyrus. Plus last year we played Keystone within the first 3 games too. So I don't know about the philosophy of looking for wins or strength of schedule, maybe it's just implemented in stone years before. I don't know. I do know we played that Christian school last year that we trounced, but it was a non-OHSAA school or something, because we didn't get any points for it. That was a total waste of a game, because of that we "barely" got into the playoffs with what only 2 losses last year. You got to watch at scheduling easy teams too. Last year we didn't even let a team score a point against us for the first 3 games last year (I think or it wasn't much.) We came in to the game against Buckeye Valley thinking we were world beaters...yeah that didn't end so good for us. LOL This year if we can just get the first 3 wins, which probably will be INCREDIBLY hard for us. All the teams we are facing are better this year, so we will get mad playoff points when they start beating other teams. Cardington had a good year last year, so I'm sure they are better this year. If we can squeak 3 wins out, it would set up nice to "at least" have a chance at a playoff spot. Without 2 out of 3 wins, we are done. Just being honest.

[Deleted]

galiontiger, consider the idea that you picked up the Christian school because you got spanked by Madison in the 2nd week the year before. Although you did not receive any points for playing the Christian school it was better than a loss because it changed your multiplier on figuring your points. In theory, had you played Madison and lost you would not have made the playoffs. Many fans look at only wins and losses but in reality the wins and losses of the teams you beat can mean more. Last season only 1 tiger win was against a team with a winning record. It makes a difference when you get wins against teams that can win some games.

[galiontiger]

Well I wasn't in Galion 2 years ago, so I didn't know who they played. Plus we could have found another team last year we could have crushed, instead of picking a team that didn't count for anything. The Tigers made the playoff like the last 4 years, so it didn't really matter who they played..Madison or not. ha! I get what you are saying though. But my philosophy is any team that goes 8-2 or 7-3 should be able to make the playoffs know matter who they play. We couldn't help that we were that much better than "most" other teams in our division last year. This year it will probably be flipped on us if we don't come together as a team "quickly".

[babymaker]

Aug 17, 2016 9:54:13 GMT -5 galiontiger said:

Well I wasn't in Galion 2 years ago, so I didn't know who they played. Plus we could have found another team last year we could have crushed, instead of picking a team that didn't count for anything. The Tigers made the playoff like the last 4 years, so it didn't really matter who they played..Madison or not. ha! I get what you are saying though. But my philosophy is any team that goes 8-2 or 7-3 should be able to make the playoffs know matter who they play. We couldn't help that we were that much better than "most" other teams in our division last year. This year it will probably be flipped on us if we don't come together as a team "quickly".

Sometime you sound pretty dumb... If you go 8-2 as a D5 team playing D7 cupcakes, no you should not make the playoffs. There are teams that have gotten in at 4-6 because they play a ***** of a schedule and their wins load a ton of points. So please for the love of god learn the system and why its in place so you don't keep saying the same stuff over and over again. Beat quality teams your own size and have nothing to worry about. If you would have picked up a team that was D7 and 0-10 you would have lost your spot in the playoffs so "crushing a team" is not always a good thing.

[Willard Fillmore]

Aug 17, 2016 9:54:13 GMT -5 galiontiger said:

Well I wasn't in Galion 2 years ago, so I didn't know who they played. Plus we could have found another team last year we could have crushed, instead of picking a team that didn't count for anything. The Tigers made the playoff like the last 4 years, so it didn't really matter who they played..Madison or not. ha! I get what you are saying though. But my philosophy is any team that goes 8-2 or 7-3 should be able to make the playoffs know matter who they play. We couldn't help that we were that much better than "most" other teams in our division last year. This year it will probably be flipped on us if we don't come together as a team "quickly".

Carpetbaggers usually don't know what went on before they got there.  Or as you would say, haha! 

My "philosophy" is, if you don't win your league you don't deserve to make the playoffs with 3 losses. Thus, there should not be a reason to whine about it....UNLESS you are the smallest school in your league and the other schools are 1 or 2 Divisions higher than you, then I don't have a problem with a 3-4 loss team making the playoffs.

The Harbin Points System used in Ohio eliminates the need to "crush" a team, like Ohio State absolutely had to do to Wisconsin to make the 4 team playoff in 2014. 

[stanley]

In my opinion the Ohio Harbin points system might be the best and fairest playoff system in the nation.

[usa70pp]

Aug 17, 2016 7:16:49 GMT -5 babymaker said:

Correction they play a Cinnci team but it is not the same team. No they do not repeat either of those games they were only a 1 year contract.

Right, mind in neutral when mouth put in gear. At my age that happens.

[Deleted]

galiontiger, the more you post it becomes more obvious you love your kid but do not love football. Or understand it. Enjoy your senior season.

[galiontiger]

Now I know I can say some dumb things on here, but its suppose to be locker room talk. I really could careless what anyone says on here about me. You don't know me at all. It's a forum. I'm not going to lose any sleep over what anyone of you say on here about me. Some of you guys on here I think just like to read what you post. How you can one up the other guy with your vast knowledge of high school football. Big deal! You know a high school football system, congratulation genius. But I think I read one of the "dumbest" post ever...."You love your kid, but don't love football". Yeah! No I don't love football, that's why I took my son all over the state and as far as West Virginia to like 23 football camps this year. We probably didn't have to go to more than 4. That's why I work to 6:15 some nights in Wooster and drive straight down to watch a Jonathan Alder game and then get back up at 0230 to drive back over to Wooster to go to work. It's because I can't stand football so much. You don't know the sacrifice I make for my love of football. So shut it! It's funny I bet most of you on here never had a son play football. You just like to troll on here demonstrating your vast knowledge of high school football. I could careless, just keep your personal opinions on here about fellow forum members to yourself. It would be nice to just come on here and have some fun..talk some smack about our teams..our kids (son's or nephews), but some of you guys ruin it due to your egos. But guess what? You got one more year of me on here, so suck it Buttercups!

[Deleted]

I'm truly fine with you. But at first I took you as someone dedicated to the sport of football. Now I understand it is only your dedication to your son. Which is fine too.

So you know, my son did play football. He was recruited. We did the travel camps. He went to college to play football. So I have that same love for my sons when they played their high school sports. But I also understood and love the game. But that's not everyone. I understand.

[gopirates]

GT is sooooooo much better than when he started on JJ. He loves his son. We all love our kids, he just puts his out there. He is not hiding like everyone else. I think he is pretty honest about what he sees with his son and the team. Looking forward to seeing my Pirates play this year and we will be battling Galion week 2. We have a very big hole to fill in the middle with the loss of Trey Williams who was a beast on both sides and their leader. McCarrell is returning for his 3rd year as starter and had a great year last year throwing for over 2000 yards and 27 tds. The biggest weapon is Devin Pearl who is a returning 1st team All Ohio receiver. Teams will have to double team him. We also return all but Williams in the skill areas and we have a very good sophomore kicker. Highland and Fredericktown will be teams to beat in Blue with Centerburg always up there too. Good luck Pirates

[buckeye01]

Just saw on the Madison Press that Alder's scrimmage VS London has been cancelled due to a skin rash that a few of London's players had contracted. I really hope JA is able to find another opponent in such a short amount of time. if not, at least we know they will be healthy going into week 1.

[jedbartlet98]

I'll be attending the Pleasant/Clear Fork scrimmage tomorrow night

Clear Fork should be a good test for Pleasant

Anyone know what time the scrimmage starts?

[japioneers]

Aug 18, 2016 8:31:59 GMT -5 buckeye01 said:

Just saw on the Madison Press that Alder's scrimmage VS London has been cancelled due to a skin rash that a few of London's players had contracted. I really hope JA is able to find another opponent in such a short amount of time. if not, at least we know they will be healthy going into week 1.

Alder was able to pick up Linden-McKinley for a scrimmage game.  The scrimmage is Friday night, August 19th. Game time 7pm at Jonathan Alder.  

[buckeye01]

Good to know. I am glad they were able to pick someone up. its almost time for Marysville!

[babymaker]

Aug 18, 2016 8:42:44 GMT -5 jedbartlet98 said:

I'll be attending the Pleasant/Clear Fork scrimmage tomorrow night

Clear Fork should be a good test for Pleasant

Anyone know what time the scrimmage starts?

The school web site says 7pm

[jedbartlet98]

Thanks babymaker!


I'm currently at work and it wouldn't load the Pleasant homepage

[Willard Fillmore]

Aug 18, 2016 1:28:20 GMT -5 galiontiger said:

Now I know I can say some dumb things on here, but its suppose to be locker room talk. I really could careless what anyone says on here about me. You don't know me at all. It's a forum. I'm not going to lose any sleep over what anyone of you say on here about me. Some of you guys on here I think just like to read what you post. How you can one up the other guy with your vast knowledge of high school football. Big deal! You know a high school football system, congratulation genius. But I think I read one of the "dumbest" post ever...."You love your kid, but don't love football". Yeah! No I don't love football, that's why I took my son all over the state and as far as West Virginia to like 23 football camps this year. We probably didn't have to go to more than 4. That's why I work to 6:15 some nights in Wooster and drive straight down to watch a Jonathan Alder game and then get back up at 0230 to drive back over to Wooster to go to work. It's because I can't stand football so much. You don't know the sacrifice I make for my love of football. So shut it! It's funny I bet most of you on here never had a son play football. You just like to troll on here demonstrating your vast knowledge of high school football. I could careless, just keep your personal opinions on here about fellow forum members to yourself. It would be nice to just come on here and have some fun..talk some smack about our teams..our kids (son's or nephews), but some of you guys ruin it due to your egos. But guess what? You got one more year of me on here, so suck it Buttercups!

If there are smart people in the locker room, the talk in there is not dumb. In one breath you say you could careless[sic] about what is said about you. In the next breath you tell people to "shut it!". The majority of us who have had sons OR daughters play sports in high school are "part of the solution, not part of the problem". Urban Meyer's thoughts on football parents. We should go to their games, sit in the stands, NEVER complain about coaches, NEVER say anything negative about other players. NEVER go in the locker room or approach a coach on the practice field. The times when he is "at work". You talk about your job. How would you like people who know nothing about your job, just walk into your place of work and tell you how to do it better? You WANT to "talk smack" on here?? An immature practice on or off the field. Should we make a list of the the "personal opinions expressed about fellow members" by you on these threads? To start with, in this post you say everyone else has an "ego", really? Read ALL posts with honesty and look for the ego. Then you tell everyone to "suck it Buttercups". I have not seen any insulting comments like those by others directed at you. Just observations about the only parent to talk like you do, on sites such as this one, for the 20 years I've been enjoying them. Can you see the dichotomies?

The best of luck this year to the Galion Tiger TEAM and their talented QB. 

[stanley]

Who are some of the top field generals in the league this year going to be? Obviously Galion and Pleasant have very talented QBs in Cooke and Craycraft. I personally look for McCarrell to have the best season out of them all. I don't necessarily mean highest numbers, because that can depend on how often you throw or don't throw, but the kid has extremely nice poise and presence in the pocket and on the run and has a very nice arm to go with it. Give him some time to check down to secondary receivers (because I'm sure Pearl will draw a lot of attention) and he could be scary good. Specialed mentioned Highlands Schreiber looked good throwing the ball. I believe Northmor returns a nice athlete in Farley? taking the snaps. Mount Gilead graduated a very nice looking quarterback in the sense that he could create himself extra time with his feet. Not sure about EK and Elgin. River Valley I believe returns their quarterback from last season who was a bigger kid and threw a nice ball. As mentioned Harding has a three year starter returning again this season. Don't know about BV or North Union (where's ol' Sporty when you need him?) What about Jon Alder? I'm sure they have somebody pretty good back there calling the shots.

[galiontiger]

Stanley...I like McCarrell. I liked watching his HUDL video of last year. I saw him at a couple of our camps. He's a decent quarterback. I'll have to agree with you.

[galiontiger]

GoPirates...thank you, I totally agree with you. I think it's better people know who I am. I don't hide behind a screen name. AND I have tamed it down "a bit" from last year on bragging about my son. It's hard sometimes, because you want to see him do good and then you want to tell everyone what you see. Some people find offense in that. I can understand, but I don't agree with it. Because I'm just the opposite, I would love to hear how great you think your son, nephew or cousin is. I honestly think we are going to have our hands full with Cardington. Our offense is sputtering along right now. We got fast kids in the secondary, but we haven't figured out how to stop the big plays. Plus our run defense needs to get a lot better. I watched them in practice yesterday...Oh wait! I don't love football. Tell me again why I sat down there in 90 degree heat watching a practice on my day off?

Scooter...No problem with you, but I do have a love for football. I'm not a technical expert on football at all. I didn't play football in high school. I won a couple of Punt/Pass and Kicks..baseball was my sport. I understand the concept of the playoff point system, but coming from a high school a year ago that won 2 games in maybe 3 years; you don't know much about the playoff system. I was .from age probably 5 years old, just a kid who would beg my dad to stay up for another hour to watch Monday Night Football. I love watching football. Now it's mostly just the Browns..in misery but that's my team. So now just because you don't know the ins and outs of football doesn't mean you don't love football.

Willard Fillmore...WF..more appropriate....I love Urban Meyers winning ways at Ohio State and Florida. But I'll never agree with you or him that coach are somehow Gods and can't be approached about how a team is ran. All parents know nothing about football and somehow because he is the coach he is always right? I've read some post (not so much this year yet) from parents on here that know a lot about how football and how it is broken down. It seems the only one who has an ego is a coach who believes he is always right and everyone should just keep their mouth shut. I work at the Post Office and when I'm working I don't have a problem if a customer comes up to me and makes a suggestion. Why is a coach somehow different? Who set those rules? Sounds to me...Urban Meyer is the one with the ego. Now yelling at a coach or calling another player out is just wrong. I would hope I wouldn't do that. Though I came close to in basketball last year, but I make observations, just like everyone else does. There was so much crap talking in basketball about kids and teams last year, it was hilarious. So Willard, I don't mind you talkin' smack about me. I made my point. A couple people made theirs and stuck up for me a bit, which I appreciate. Because they were being honest, you...well...I'll hold out hope for you as the season goes on.

[japioneers]

Aug 18, 2016 15:36:19 GMT -5 stanley said:

Who are some of the top field generals in the league this year going to be? Obviously Galion and Pleasant have very talented QBs in Cooke and Craycraft. I personally look for McCarrell to have the best season out of them all. I don't necessarily mean highest numbers, because that can depend on how often you throw or don't throw, but the kid has extremely nice poise and presence in the pocket and on the run and has a very nice arm to go with it. Give him some time to check down to secondary receivers (because I'm sure Pearl will draw a lot of attention) and he could be scary good. Specialed mentioned Highlands Schreiber looked good throwing the ball. I believe Northmor returns a nice athlete in Farley? taking the snaps. Mount Gilead graduated a very nice looking quarterback in the sense that he could create himself extra time with his feet. Not sure about EK and Elgin. River Valley I believe returns their quarterback from last season who was a bigger kid and threw a nice ball. As mentioned Harding has a three year starter returning again this season. Don't know about BV or North Union (where's ol' Sporty when you need him?) What about Jon Alder? I'm sure they have somebody pretty good back there calling the shots.

The Alder QB, Eisnaugle, is a Junior this season.  He won the job last year as a Soph., so this is his 2nd year at the helm.  Great athlete.  He already has a few D1 offers to play baseball. Has a really nice ball and can throw on the run.  Keep an eye on this kid.  With the skill players Alder has, we will be hard to stop.  The only question is the O-Line.  We will find out soon enough.  Go Alder!

[babymaker]

Tiger be happy you can watch practice many schools do not have open practices and parents are told they can not watch. That said "suggestions" from guys who have never coached at any level, who are arm chair quarterback are never received well. You do not have the credibility. Too many over bearing parents thinking that they know more than the coach, when mainly they lobby for what is in the best interest of their kid, and rarely the team.
I did take a shot because you said something dumb about who should or should not get in playoffs. Not going to apologize.
As a former coach I have seen your "type" before I love that you love your kid but there is a ton of work to get to the point where you coach football (at HS level), and teach your system to the kids and your staff. Unless you put that work in it would be hard to comprehend or even recognize when you are speaking outside your league.

On the QB talk I believe from what I have seen Craycraft's #s will be way off from last year. Good QB but looks more like old sparty O vs the spread from the start of last season.