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Post by raja on Dec 13, 2016 0:25:30 GMT -5
Hey, how about all you goofballs find something else to do, I believe the thread was started to give scores for the games ! If you want to beat each other up and argue about who said what about some team or player then start a new thread about that stuff. So that being said ----- what good games are on this week ?
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Post by runshoot on Dec 13, 2016 6:39:30 GMT -5
As someone from a school with a state title, I honestly would rather have year after year of success and tradition, a la Willard. Willard had a long exciting affair with success. Upper had a one night stand and a little sugar the following morning. Maybe if we had won the title when I was still in school I'd feel differently. Great years, but never won the big one! You fit right along side the margaretta gbball, the norwalk vb, the clyde vb, the huron fb, ect. people do view your program from a much brighter picture when they come into your town and see a sign above "home of charlie frye" with a home of the state champions!
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Post by buckeyekid on Dec 13, 2016 7:16:45 GMT -5
The funny/odd thing about Portwalk/Wilwalk/Clywalk is he keeps using "but a distant memory" when describing Willard hoops years of success. Yet, he can recall and pinpoint it year by year to a tee. Does the word "obsessed " have your picture by it? I couldn't tell you much about Norwalk basketball history other than a nice 4 year run, with failure before it and after it.
I'll take my lifetime history of HS hoops team compared to yours any day of the week. People around the State still know about Willard hoops,,,while next to no one talks about or has heard of your NHS,,,aside from maybe Volleyball.
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Post by DrugMart on Dec 13, 2016 7:35:27 GMT -5
By the way Norwalk who in your words "gets dumped on every week" and has NADA success is 4-0 vs Willard and will more than likely be 6-0 after this season since WINNING the STATE title... Willard is d6 and Norwalk is d3, why are you pounding your chest? Word on the street is that Willard will be cancelling football if enrollment drops any farther and they end up d7. About time, suit those boys up in some soccer gear.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 8:03:18 GMT -5
Hey, how about all you goofballs find something else to do, I believe the thread was started to give scores for the games ! If you want to beat each other up and argue about who said what about some team or player then start a new thread about that stuff. So that being said ----- what good games are on this week ? Start your own thread to ask your question.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 8:32:40 GMT -5
Here is a new way to ask the question that may take out some of the feelings we have had from the past experiences.
Over the next 44 years of basketball your program has 2 possible paths it may go see. #1) The first it will win 51% of its games, have 20 winning seasons, win 4 league titles, win 3 District Titles, 1 Regional Title and 1 State Championship. #2) Or you can choose to win 69% of your games, win 21 league titles, 16 District titles and 4 Regional titles.
Which would you take?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 8:35:18 GMT -5
Here is a new way to ask the question that may take out some of the feelings we have had from the past experiences. Over the next 44 years of basketball your program has 2 possible paths it may go see. #1) The first it will win 51% of its games, have 20 winning seasons, win 4 league titles, win 3 District Titles, 1 Regional Title and 1 State Championship. #2) Or you can choose to win 69% of your games, win 21 league titles, 16 District titles and 4 Regional titles. Which would you take? You are always going to remember a state title the most
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Post by dump on Dec 13, 2016 8:42:30 GMT -5
Hohler is a better quarterback than Cody Thompson. Sure, not a better athlete, but as a quarterback, it's no question. Also, Dumpy Willard- Ben haraway could easily suit up and play for a MAC school. You are just further proving you know nothing. You're just upset because no one from Dumpy Ontario is having any success at the next level. Ben was the best player on a state championship team. He is almost better than Hohler. Go Tigers
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 8:46:04 GMT -5
The funny/odd thing about Portwalk/Wilwalk/Clywalk is he keeps using "but a distant memory" when describing Willard hoops years of success. Yet, he can recall and pinpoint it year by year to a tee. Does the word "obsessed " have your picture by it? I couldn't tell you much about Norwalk basketball history other than a nice 4 year run, with failure before it and after it. I'll take my lifetime history of HS hoops team compared to yours any day of the week. People around the State still know about Willard hoops,,,while next to no one talks about or has heard of your NHS,,,aside from maybe Volleyball. Some Old-timers still know the name Willard but not many are familiar who are under 40 once you get outside the connecting counties. Willard is being talked about around the state by Willard people. Willard is not a common topic anymore and hasn't been for years. However, in a time that has turned into being all about trophies, Norwalk has one that can never be taken away and they will be listed among the teams who have accomplished the most wanted trophy in the high school sport. I'm not saying which is better, but I know my own history and which I would prefer. Either way both are in the past and neither will help them win this weekend.
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Post by riddler on Dec 13, 2016 8:47:26 GMT -5
I think this riddle can help. A 10 year old boy in 2080 was going to be sent back in time to 1951 to live out the rest of his life and was given one choice, enroll at Norwalk and watch all of their football games for the next 75 years or enroll at Bellevue and watch all of their football games for the next 75 years. The boys main goal in life was to enjoy it. Did he choose to be the valedictorian that was homeless for 65 years of his life, but while being homeless and hungry remembered that 1 time he was tops, or the salutatorian who was the VP of Bank of America, the VP of GE, the VP of The United States of America.
Actually that riddle doesn't help. Some are okay being 1st loser for life like the salutatorian, a can't win at anything hot head who thinks he's so cool for being the VP at Bank of America and The United States of America. While big winners are only okay with being the best, the homeless guy who goes big or lives on the street. Ricky Bobby told us best, "If you aint first your last." Take the solo year and be homeless, at least you know at some point you were the best.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 8:49:21 GMT -5
Here is a new way to ask the question that may take out some of the feelings we have had from the past experiences. Over the next 44 years of basketball your program has 2 possible paths it may go see. #1) The first it will win 51% of its games, have 20 winning seasons, win 4 league titles, win 3 District Titles, 1 Regional Title and 1 State Championship. #2) Or you can choose to win 69% of your games, win 21 league titles, 16 District titles and 4 Regional titles. Which would you take? You are always going to remember a state title the most Are you saying people forget the League Titles, the District titles and the Regional Titles they win?
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Post by cbus on Dec 13, 2016 8:50:26 GMT -5
I saw Ben Haraway play in the Ashland U. v Saginaw Valley State game last Thursday. It's the only time I've seen him play at the college level (so a small sample size). Saginaw Valley State is also the #1 ranked D2 school in the country. Anyway I did not think he was D1 (MAC) talent based on that game. He's quick, handles the ball and drives well but his outside shot looked shaky to me. Anyway, that's based on 1 game and he's listed as a sophomore. Based on ONE game vs the #1 team in D2 you don't think Ben could play at a MAC school??? His outside shot looked shaky??? He is shooting 48% from 3 for the year. The game you watched was one of his lowest Offensive outputs of the season in which he is averaging 12ppg shooting 49% from the field with 2.6 Asst/TO ratio. Does this mean he could play at a MAC level? not sure, however I know I would base my opinion on stats rather than ONE game... He is a Soph sat out a year after transferring from Malone to Ashland. Geeez. I said it was one game against the #1 team in the country so I put in the disclaimers. I was responding to a post that said he could have gone D1 if he wanted to. I may see some more of his games this year so I'll let you know what I see when I see it. And I'll try and make the comments totally positive so you don't have to resort to using the bold key. How many college games have you seen?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 8:56:54 GMT -5
I think this riddle can help. A 10 year old boy in 2080 was going to be sent back in time to 1951 to live out the rest of his life and was given one choice, enroll at Norwalk and watch all of their football games for the next 75 years or enroll at Bellevue and watch all of their football games for the next 75 years. The boys main goal in life was to enjoy it. Did he choose to be the valedictorian that was homeless for 65 years of his life, but while being homeless and hungry remembered that 1 time he was tops, or the salutatorian who was the VP of Bank of America, the VP of GE, the VP of The United States of America. Actually that riddle doesn't help. Some are okay being 1st loser for life like the salutatorian, a can't win at anything hot head who thinks he's so cool for being the VP at Bank of America and The United States of America. While big winners are only okay with being the best, the homeless guy who goes big or lives on the street. Ricky Bobby told us best, "If you aint first your last." Take the solo year and be homeless, at least you know at some point you were the best. Here you go riddler. Take a all inclusive vacation for 1 week when you are 30 to Cancun and spend the rest of your life inside Huron County. OR vacation every year for a week to Florida, North Carolina or Arizona from the age of 30 to 65?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2016 15:32:45 GMT -5
Here is a new way to ask the question that may take out some of the feelings we have had from the past experiences. Over the next 44 years of basketball your program has 2 possible paths it may go see. #1) The first it will win 51% of its games, have 20 winning seasons, win 4 league titles, win 3 District Titles, 1 Regional Title and 1 State Championship. #2) Or you can choose to win 69% of your games, win 21 league titles, 16 District titles and 4 Regional titles. Which would you take? You and I know, but some may miss the significance. 1/4 of all league Titles, 1/3 of all District Titles, and the only Regional Title occurred in the same year as the only State Title. Which means there were 3 league titles in the other 43 years, 2 District Titles in the other 43 years and zero Regional Titles in the other 43 years.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2016 15:40:18 GMT -5
Hohler is a better quarterback than Cody Thompson. Sure, not a better athlete, but as a quarterback, it's no question. Also, Dumpy Willard- Ben haraway could easily suit up and play for a MAC school. You are just further proving you know nothing. You're just upset because no one from Dumpy Ontario is having any success at the next level. Ben was the best player on a state championship team. He is almost better than Hohler. Go Tigers Once again you prove your stupidity. The player I was talking about, who could have chosen to play Div1 college basketball, was BEN HARAWAY!! Apparently total embarrassment doesn't stop you from making a fool of yourself EVERY time you type.
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Post by tommygunn on Dec 13, 2016 16:17:26 GMT -5
The funny/odd thing about Portwalk/Wilwalk/Clywalk is he keeps using "but a distant memory" when describing Willard hoops years of success. Yet, he can recall and pinpoint it year by year to a tee. Does the word "obsessed " have your picture by it? I couldn't tell you much about Norwalk basketball history other than a nice 4 year run, with failure before it and after it. I'll take my lifetime history of HS hoops team compared to yours any day of the week. People around the State still know about Willard hoops,,,while next to no one talks about or has heard of your NHS,,,aside from maybe Volleyball. May be the case with the older generation, but Willard isn't really something kids or even most in their 20s and 30s have ever heard of around the state of Ohio. Might of been different had Willard kept up some sort of visibility deep in the HS tourney once in every 3 to 4 years, but that isn't the case. Maybe that is Willard's problem. Too many living in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 17:18:24 GMT -5
You are always going to remember a state title the most Are you saying people forget the League Titles, the District titles and the Regional Titles they win? Didn't say that at all. I said you would remember a state title the most. Didn't say anything about forgetting
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2016 17:58:33 GMT -5
Ontario's baseball State Title in 1994 is a distant memory, replaced by almost yearly basketball successes.
Norwalk's State Title was like yesterday and there have not yet been yearly successes since then. Maybe there will be in the future.
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Post by portwalk on Dec 13, 2016 19:59:55 GMT -5
The funny/odd thing about Portwalk/Wilwalk/Clywalk is he keeps using "but a distant memory" when describing Willard hoops years of success. Yet, he can recall and pinpoint it year by year to a tee. Does the word "obsessed " have your picture by it? I couldn't tell you much about Norwalk basketball history other than a nice 4 year run, with failure before it and after it. I'll take my lifetime history of HS hoops team compared to yours any day of the week. People around the State still know about Willard hoops,,,while next to no one talks about or has heard of your NHS,,,aside from maybe Volleyball. Willard had a great bball run in the 70's and 80's. (not 35 years). Norwalk had a 4 year run that culminated in a STATE TITLE. I think when most around the state remember the Truckers title than the Haas years aside from the Willardites...
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Post by portwalk on Dec 13, 2016 20:07:58 GMT -5
By the way Norwalk who in your words "gets dumped on every week" and has NADA success is 4-0 vs Willard and will more than likely be 6-0 after this season since WINNING the STATE title... Willard is d6 and Norwalk is d3, why are you pounding your chest? Word on the street is that Willard will be cancelling football if enrollment drops any farther and they end up d7. About time, suit those boys up in some soccer gear. Norwalk is D2 and Willard is D3...
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Post by portwalk on Dec 13, 2016 20:12:38 GMT -5
Based on ONE game vs the #1 team in D2 you don't think Ben could play at a MAC school??? His outside shot looked shaky??? He is shooting 48% from 3 for the year. The game you watched was one of his lowest Offensive outputs of the season in which he is averaging 12ppg shooting 49% from the field with 2.6 Asst/TO ratio. Does this mean he could play at a MAC level? not sure, however I know I would base my opinion on stats rather than ONE game... He is a Soph sat out a year after transferring from Malone to Ashland. Geeez. I said it was one game against the #1 team in the country so I put in the disclaimers. I was responding to a post that said he could have gone D1 if he wanted to. I may see some more of his games this year so I'll let you know what I see when I see it. And I'll try and make the comments totally positive so you don't have to resort to using the bold key. How many college games have you seen? Sorry if it came off wrong (bold keys) however to make the assertions you did I thought you might want to look a little deeper than a game. As for the last question there is a lot of networks available in 2016....
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Post by portwalk on Dec 13, 2016 20:15:58 GMT -5
The funny/odd thing about Portwalk/Wilwalk/Clywalk is he keeps using "but a distant memory" when describing Willard hoops years of success. Yet, he can recall and pinpoint it year by year to a tee. Does the word "obsessed " have your picture by it? I couldn't tell you much about Norwalk basketball history other than a nice 4 year run, with failure before it and after it. I'll take my lifetime history of HS hoops team compared to yours any day of the week. People around the State still know about Willard hoops,,,while next to no one talks about or has heard of your NHS,,,aside from maybe Volleyball. May be the case with the older generation, but Willard isn't really something kids or even most in their 20s and 30s have ever heard of around the state of Ohio. Might of been different had Willard kept up some sort of visibility deep in the HS tourney once in every 3 to 4 years, but that isn't the case. Maybe that is Willard's problem. Too many living in the past. ttt....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 21:34:10 GMT -5
Are you saying people forget the League Titles, the District titles and the Regional Titles they win? Didn't say that at all. I said you would remember a state title the most. Didn't say anything about forgetting A state title will be remembered as will the league, district and regional titles as well.
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Post by buckeyekid on Dec 14, 2016 7:50:26 GMT -5
You know Clywalk,,to live in the past means to consider yourself as good now as you were then----Nobody in this town feels that way I guarantee you that. But for you to continue to say our success which in my world spanned 1971---2006 will be ' "but a distant memory" as you say---simply is not the case. It's in the history books and it's in my heart and several others---just like the Haraway Thomas teams will be in the hearts of Norwalk fans forever.
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Post by 1percenter on Dec 14, 2016 9:04:43 GMT -5
If we are talking player (that's just 4 years) then I'd take the State Title. If we are talking fan, I'd rather watch a winner that falls short than a dump fest that had 1 good ride. And looking at the attendance of ALL schools that stink in a sport it looks like 99% of fans agree with me.
The 2006 Ohio State Football team fell short vs Florida. Was it enjoyable watching Troy Smith, Ted Ginn Jr and the boys that year? That 2006 team was as enjoyable as the 2002 and 2014 NC Buckeyes. Were the 1999 and 2000 Ohio State teams led by Steve Belisari enjoyable to watch? Dump fest week after week? That was horrific.
Was the 2014 Norwalk team more enjoyable to watch than the 2012 or 2013 team? Watching winning is fun, sometimes you break through like in 2014, and sometimes you fall short like in 2012. 2012 is much more fun than the dump fest that is Norwalk basketball this year. I'll take the yearly winning like I saw in 2012 and 2013 year after year and falling short over dump fests year after year with a quick spurt to the Title.
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Post by bigox on Dec 14, 2016 9:16:54 GMT -5
From a perspective of a community that got housed by both programs over the years a cycle of mediocrity is ok in my book. Bwahhaha!!! Memories are golden to have good or bad or long or short. It's all in the eye of the beholder( Or beer holder in most of these cases.) But either way you look at it both these schools have had success that most area school's envy. So much that great kids from the smaller schools would "move" to them. 😉
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Post by dump on Dec 14, 2016 10:09:21 GMT -5
In my dumpy opinion, A state title is better than 5 straight district championships. Every year we will see an area team make it to the regionals and those teams are quickly forgot about. A state title is very rare for an area team and happens MAYBE once every fifteen years. Ontario is a dumpy team just like Willard is a dumpy duplicate bridge player. Go tigers
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 10:39:24 GMT -5
In my opinion, a state title trumps everything and anything. Decades of district and regional success are talked about for a few years after. A state title is a lifetime of talking. If you take a coaches poll and ask the more veteran coaches if they could give back a 100 high school wins for a state title, would they? I bet many of them would.
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Post by buckeyekid on Dec 14, 2016 10:55:44 GMT -5
Well Streaknation,
I guess all the great football teams and players and coaches that Sandusky had over the past 1/2 century doesn't trump the Glorious Norwalk Trucker football program? Oh btw--Norwalk was declared a State Football Champ in 1974 by winning two games if you really give a chit.
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Post by mcm1019 on Dec 14, 2016 11:13:37 GMT -5
Incorrect about Norwalk winning 1 game in 1974. They beat Akron SVSM in the semi-finals, then topped St. Thomas Aquinas in the finals.
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