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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 5, 2017 6:46:15 GMT -5
And Port Clinton. Neither team willing to play cross over games let alone be in the LAKE (majority NOL teams). Vermilion has 2 crossover games against the Lake Division Port Clinton has 3 crossover games against the Lake Division
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Post by greenman on Sept 5, 2017 10:38:41 GMT -5
Someone please explain how the six-person difference in boys' enrollments (according to OHSAA Member Dir.) accounts for the divisional difference between Bellevue (D IV) and Perkins (D III) in FB? Are they really that close to the line? Here I was sure Perkins was the smallest by enrollment in Lake Div. Because they have to set the line somewhere, they try to make each division as close to the same number of schools as possible. If your above the line your Div 3 if your below your 4. I'm sure there are schools within one of the cutoff and if they move the number one spot another school will be within one of the cutoff. I know there's a def. cutoff, I just was surprised that Perkins and Bellevue each literally sat right there on either side of it like that.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Sept 5, 2017 10:55:23 GMT -5
D1 (biggest 72 schools in Ohio) - 617+ - Findlay is the smallest school The rest of the divisions they try to have the same amount of teams, sometimes a tie at the cutoffs causes a slight difference. D2 (176 schools) (390-612) - Dayton Carroll the smallest - Westerville North the biggest D3 (176 schools) (276-455) (The 455 is correct) - Woodridge the smallest - Toledo Central Catholic the biggest (TCC didn't get bumped up to D2 because under the rules you can only be bumped up 1 division after adjustment) D4 (176 schools) (210-275) - 3 schools with 210 including Upper Sandusky - Bishop Fenwick the biggest D5 (176 schools) (163-209) - Northwood & Mt Gilead the smallest - Fairland the biggest D6 (176 schools) (114-161) - Patrick Henry & Steubenville CC the smallest - Lutheran East the biggest D7 (176 schools) (113 and below) - 3 schools have 113
SBC schools within 10 boys up or down from changing divisions. Perkins (282) currently D3 - 7 less boys and D4 Bellevue (267) currently D4 - 9 more boys and D3 Edison (208) currently D5 - 2 more boys and D4 Huron (207) currently D5 - 3 more boys and D4 Willard (169) currently D5 - 8 less boys and D6 Lakota (153) currently D6 - 10 more boys and D5
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Post by Rambo McClain on Sept 5, 2017 11:14:54 GMT -5
FYI pre-competitive balance had Perkins at 267 and Bellevue at 261 with both being in D3. After competitive balance numbers were added in Perkins went +15 to 282 and Bellevue went +6 to 267 dropping Bellevue down to D4 because a lot schools have a big +, especially private schools.
Schools with big competitive balance additions that went from D4 to D3 that dropped Bellevue to D4 were +220 Toledo Central Catholic (235 to 455) +123 Akron SVSM (251 to 374) +97 Columbus Bishop Hartley (207 to 304) +85 Cleveland Central Catholic (229 to 314) +84 Chardon Notre Dame-Cathedral Latin (246 to 330) +84 Hamilton Badin (227 to 311) +70 Kettering Archbishop Alter (228 to 298) +69 Dayton Chaminade-Julienne (257 to 326) +68 Parma Heights Holy Name (250 to 318) +62 Cincinnati Archbishop McNicholas (235 to 297) +30 Beloit West Branch (252 to 282)
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Post by greenman on Sept 5, 2017 11:50:29 GMT -5
I'm grateful for the clarity, Rambo. It all seemed hazy to me between shifting enrollments. I had thought that Bellevue - in terms of male HS and overall district enrollment - was slightly larger than Perkins.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 5, 2017 12:28:34 GMT -5
So far, the idea of Willard football moving up from the River to the Bay is the only division change being talked about on here to compensate for the loss of Shelby and the addition of Gibsonburg, Danbury and Hopewell-Loudon. To those of you "in-the-know" posters, are there any talks of moving anyone around for the non-football divisions, or are those expected to stay the same aside from the new arrivals? Will the Lake just stay at 6 schools for all sports, or will anyone be moved up?
If they are staying the same, then I believe the following will be the football and other sports division lineups for the next 3 schools years (including this one): Is this correct?
2017-2018 - 20 total schools, 18 with football
Football: (6) Lake - Bellevue, Clyde, Columbian, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky (6) Bay - Edison, Huron, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Shelby, Vermilion (6) River - Calvert, Lakota, Margaretta, SJCC, SMCC, Willard
Other Sports: (7) Lake - Bellevue, Clyde, Columbian, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky, Shelby (7) Bay - Edison, Huron, Margaretta, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Vermilion, Willard (6) River - Calvert, Lakota, New Riegel, Old Fort, SJCC, SMCC
2018-2019 - 21 total schools, 19 with football (Danbury and Gibsonburg added, Shelby removed)
Football: (6) Lake - Bellevue, Clyde, Columbian, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky (5) Bay - Edison, Huron, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Vermilion (with Shelby not officially a member, but still likely paying most of the Bay schools) (8) River - Calvert, Danbury, Gibsonburg, Lakota, Margaretta, SJCC, SMCC, Willard
Other Sports: (6) Lake - Bellevue, Clyde, Columbian, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky (7) Bay - Edison, Huron, Margaretta, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Vermilion, Willard (8) River - Calvert, Danbury, Gibsonburg, Lakota, New Riegel, Old Fort, SJCC, SMCC
2019-2020 - 22 total schools, 20 with football (Hopewell-Loudon added)
Football: (6) Lake - Bellevue, Clyde, Columbian, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky (6) Bay - Edison, Huron, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Vermilion, Willard (8) River - Calvert, Danbury, Gibsonburg, Hopewell-Loudon Lakota, Margaretta, SJCC, SMCC
Other Sports: (6) Lake - Bellevue, Clyde, Columbian, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky (7) Bay - Edison, Huron, Margaretta, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Vermilion, Willard (9) River - Calvert, Danbury, Gibsonburg, Hopewell-Loudon, Lakota, New Riegel, Old Fort, SJCC, SMCC
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Post by kingmartinez on Sept 5, 2017 15:03:59 GMT -5
So far, the idea of Willard football moving up from the River to the Bay is the only division change being talked about on here to compensate for the loss of Shelby and the addition of Gibsonburg, Danbury and Hopewell-Loudon. To those of you "in-the-know" posters, are there any talks of moving anyone around for the non-football divisions, or are those expected to stay the same aside from the new arrivals? Will the Lake just stay at 6 schools for all sports, or will anyone be moved up? If they are staying the same, then I believe the following will be the football and other sports division lineups for the next 3 schools years (including this one): Is this correct? 2017-2018 - 20 total schools, 18 with football Football: (6) Lake - Bellevue, Clyde, Columbian, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky (6) Bay - Edison, Huron, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Shelby, Vermilion (6) River - Calvert, Lakota, Margaretta, SJCC, SMCC, Willard Other Sports: (7) Lake - Bellevue, Clyde, Columbian, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky, Shelby (7) Bay - Edison, Huron, Margaretta, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Vermilion, Willard (6) River - Calvert, Lakota, New Riegel, Old Fort, SJCC, SMCC 2018-2019 - 21 total schools, 19 with football (Danbury and Gibsonburg added, Shelby removed) Football: (6) Lake - Bellevue, Clyde, Columbian, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky (5) Bay - Edison, Huron, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Vermilion (with Shelby not officially a member, but still likely paying most of the Bay schools) (8) River - Calvert, Danbury, Gibsonburg, Lakota, Margaretta, SJCC, SMCC, Willard Other Sports: (6) Lake - Bellevue, Clyde, Columbian, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky (7) Bay - Edison, Huron, Margaretta, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Vermilion, Willard (8) River - Calvert, Danbury, Gibsonburg, Lakota, New Riegel, Old Fort, SJCC, SMCC 2019-2020 - 22 total schools, 20 with football (Hopewell-Loudon added) Football: (6) Lake - Bellevue, Clyde, Columbian, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky (6) Bay - Edison, Huron, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Vermilion, Willard (8) River - Calvert, Danbury, Gibsonburg, Hopewell-Loudon Lakota, Margaretta, SJCC, SMCC Other Sports: (6) Lake - Bellevue, Clyde, Columbian, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky (7) Bay - Edison, Huron, Margaretta, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Vermilion, Willard (9) River - Calvert, Danbury, Gibsonburg, Hopewell-Loudon, Lakota, New Riegel, Old Fort, SJCC, SMCC I'd say that would be a safe bet as how the dust will settle.
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Post by 1percenter on Sept 5, 2017 15:40:56 GMT -5
I could see Lakota getting bumped up to the Bay in 2019 making it 6-8-8 for other sports
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Post by kingmartinez on Sept 5, 2017 17:18:16 GMT -5
I could see Lakota getting bumped up to the Bay in 2019 making it 6-8-8 for other sports Isn't happening. May look nice on paper but for the sake of the conference, they won't force that on Lakota. Similar to Fremont situation. Looked good on a map but not a good move for the long-term health of the conference.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 5, 2017 18:11:12 GMT -5
This. Annoying that this topic keeps coming up on here due to one fan that just won't let it go. Because it's the M.O. of that annoying little wannabe to whine. (Not you, this time, Hoss) Just remember, when the NCC went to 10 schools they forced cross over games. KABOOM!!
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Post by kingmartinez on Sept 5, 2017 19:53:34 GMT -5
Because it's the M.O. of that annoying little wannabe to whine. (Not you, this time, Hoss) Just remember, when the NCC went to 10 schools they forced cross over games. KABOOM!! The crossover would only need to happen between Lake and Bay divisions. The Bay doesn't have any leverage for a new conference should they have to play crossovers. They are not a stable group and no River or Lake schools are going to join them for a new conference. There's a better chance the Bay gets absorbed by the Lake and River in a two-division conference.
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Post by raja on Sept 6, 2017 9:04:12 GMT -5
I believe I heard they are going to form a creek and pond division for the expansion
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Post by Debbie Downer on Sept 6, 2017 9:44:20 GMT -5
Bad news guys, the SBC is going to gobble up a lot of conferences. Word on the street is that they are looking to make 13 divisions with 8 schools in each division. As of right now the SBC thinks they will be able to expand to 7 divisions by 2025. Below is the SBC's projected lineup to start in the fall of 2025.
Ocean (8) - Toledo Whitmer, Findlay, Perrysburg, Toledo CC, Fremont Ross, Toledo St John's, Oregon Clay, Maumee Sea (8) - Sandusky, Clyde, Perkins, Tiffin Columbian, Norwalk, Maumee, Bowling Green, Rossford Lake (8) - Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Bellevue, Huron, Edison, Vermilion, Genoa, Fostoria Bay (8) - Lakota, Willard, Gibsonburg, Genoa, Woodmore, Margaretta, Gibsonburg, Firelands River (8) - New London, Western Reserve, South Central, Crestline, Bucyrus, Plymouth, Crestview, Mapleton Creek (8) - Mohawk, Carey, Seneca East, Hopewell-Loudon, Liberty Benton, Buckeye Central, Vanlue, Arcadia Pond (8) - Old Fort, New Riegel, Tiffin Calvert, Fremont St Joe, SMCC, St Paul, Danbury, Monroeville
The SBC's target for 2040 is to fully expand to 13 divisions, proposed Division names for the expansion are Kiddy Pool, Puddle, Full Sink, Glass half full, Glass half empty, and Droplet. I'm not a fan of this reshuffling but it is what it is, I'm sorry to be a bringer of bad news.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 6, 2017 10:28:46 GMT -5
Who's going to be in the Water Molecule division?
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Post by greenman on Sept 6, 2017 10:53:58 GMT -5
Bad news guys, the SBC is going to gobble up a lot of conferences. Word on the street is that they are looking to make 13 divisions with 8 schools in each division. As of right now the SBC thinks they will be able to expand to 7 divisions by 2025. Below is the SBC's projected lineup to start in the fall of 2025. Ocean (8) - Toledo Whitmer, Findlay, Perrysburg, Toledo CC, Fremont Ross, Toledo St John's, Oregon Clay, Maumee Sea (8) - Sandusky, Clyde, Perkins, Tiffin Columbian, Norwalk, Maumee, Bowling Green, Rossford Lake (8) - Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Bellevue, Huron, Edison, Vermilion, Genoa, Fostoria Bay (8) - Lakota, Willard, Gibsonburg, Genoa, Woodmore, Margaretta, Gibsonburg, Firelands River (8) - New London, Western Reserve, South Central, Crestline, Bucyrus, Plymouth, Crestview, Mapleton Creek (8) - Mohawk, Carey, Seneca East, Hopewell-Loudon, Liberty Benton, Buckeye Central, Vanlue, Arcadia Pond (8) - Old Fort, New Riegel, Tiffin Calvert, Fremont St Joe, SMCC, St Paul, Danbury, Monroeville The SBC's target for 2040 is to fully expand to 13 divisions, proposed Division names for the expansion are Kiddy Pool, Puddle, Full Sink, Glass half full, Glass half empty, and Droplet. I'm not a fan of this reshuffling but it is what it is, I'm sorry to be a bringer of bad news. I hate to dispute you, but it's already been agreed by the powers that be that any division with current FC members will be named "Spilled (Beverage)" -they're still at loggerheads between "Milk" and "Beer" - and "Wet Sneeze." It's decided and confirmed. By me.
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Post by 2112 on Sept 6, 2017 23:14:31 GMT -5
Bad news guys, the SBC is going to gobble up a lot of conferences. Word on the street is that they are looking to make 13 divisions with 8 schools in each division. As of right now the SBC thinks they will be able to expand to 7 divisions by 2025. Below is the SBC's projected lineup to start in the fall of 2025. Ocean (8) - Toledo Whitmer, Findlay, Perrysburg, Toledo CC, Fremont Ross, Toledo St John's, Oregon Clay, Maumee Sea (8) - Sandusky, Clyde, Perkins, Tiffin Columbian, Norwalk, Maumee, Bowling Green, Rossford Lake (8) - Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Bellevue, Huron, Edison, Vermilion, Genoa, Fostoria Bay (8) - Lakota, Willard, Gibsonburg, Genoa, Woodmore, Margaretta, Gibsonburg, Firelands River (8) - New London, Western Reserve, South Central, Crestline, Bucyrus, Plymouth, Crestview, Mapleton Creek (8) - Mohawk, Carey, Seneca East, Hopewell-Loudon, Liberty Benton, Buckeye Central, Vanlue, Arcadia Pond (8) - Old Fort, New Riegel, Tiffin Calvert, Fremont St Joe, SMCC, St Paul, Danbury, Monroeville The SBC's target for 2040 is to fully expand to 13 divisions, proposed Division names for the expansion are Kiddy Pool, Puddle, Full Sink, Glass half full, Glass half empty, and Droplet. I'm not a fan of this reshuffling but it is what it is, I'm sorry to be a bringer of bad news. That Genoa & Maumee are gonna be in 2 divisions simultaneously will make for some interesting crossovers. And I can't wait for the yearly series between Gibsonburg and Gibsonburg in what will undoubtedly become a huge Bay-division rivalry... :-D
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Post by greenman on Sept 7, 2017 7:19:22 GMT -5
Bad news guys, the SBC is going to gobble up a lot of conferences. Word on the street is that they are looking to make 13 divisions with 8 schools in each division. As of right now the SBC thinks they will be able to expand to 7 divisions by 2025. Below is the SBC's projected lineup to start in the fall of 2025. Ocean (8) - Toledo Whitmer, Findlay, Perrysburg, Toledo CC, Fremont Ross, Toledo St John's, Oregon Clay, Maumee Sea (8) - Sandusky, Clyde, Perkins, Tiffin Columbian, Norwalk, Maumee, Bowling Green, Rossford Lake (8) - Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Bellevue, Huron, Edison, Vermilion, Genoa, Fostoria Bay (8) - Lakota, Willard, Gibsonburg, Genoa, Woodmore, Margaretta, Gibsonburg, Firelands River (8) - New London, Western Reserve, South Central, Crestline, Bucyrus, Plymouth, Crestview, Mapleton Creek (8) - Mohawk, Carey, Seneca East, Hopewell-Loudon, Liberty Benton, Buckeye Central, Vanlue, Arcadia Pond (8) - Old Fort, New Riegel, Tiffin Calvert, Fremont St Joe, SMCC, St Paul, Danbury, Monroeville The SBC's target for 2040 is to fully expand to 13 divisions, proposed Division names for the expansion are Kiddy Pool, Puddle, Full Sink, Glass half full, Glass half empty, and Droplet. I'm not a fan of this reshuffling but it is what it is, I'm sorry to be a bringer of bad news. That Genoa & Maumee are gonna be in 2 divisions simultaneously will make for some interesting crossovers. And I can't wait for the yearly series between Gibsonburg and Gibsonburg in what will undoubtedly become a huge Bay-division rivalry... :-D Gibsonburg vs. Gibsonburg shouldn't be that hard to bring about.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 22, 2017 10:40:10 GMT -5
Well I hear Shelby will be independent next year for football! The SBC schools will play them but not as league games. They are being butt heads on this, they are mad because Shelby is leaving. All you are doing is penalizing the kids from getting league recognition ! But you cannot put all the blame on SBC, Shelby joined a league they knew they weren't going to stay in! They kept trying to save the NOL, by doing nothing years ago! Come on people let them play these as league games next year! (this was posted in the Shelby-Bellevue thread) Regarding this whole situation of Shelby's 2018 status, do we know for sure that all 5 of the Bay Division schools will be playing Shelby that year?
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Post by kingmartinez on Sept 22, 2017 16:24:57 GMT -5
Well I hear Shelby will be independent next year for football! The SBC schools will play them but not as league games. They are being butt heads on this, they are mad because Shelby is leaving. All you are doing is penalizing the kids from getting league recognition ! But you cannot put all the blame on SBC, Shelby joined a league they knew they weren't going to stay in! They kept trying to save the NOL, by doing nothing years ago! Come on people let them play these as league games next year! (this was posted in the Shelby-Bellevue thread) Regarding this whole situation of Shelby's 2018 status, do we know for sure that all 5 of the Bay Division schools will be playing Shelby that year? Last word received was Huron still had not committed to playing Shelby in 2018. Pretty sure the others have. The much bigger issues is none of their players will get any league honors. They knew this was a possibility but rolled the dice and it didn't work out for them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 7:14:40 GMT -5
(this was posted in the Shelby-Bellevue thread) Regarding this whole situation of Shelby's 2018 status, do we know for sure that all 5 of the Bay Division schools will be playing Shelby that year? Last word received was Huron still had not committed to playing Shelby in 2018. Pretty sure the others have. The much bigger issues is none of their players will get any league honors. They knew this was a possibility but rolled the dice and it didn't work out for them. I was under the impression that the mighty Huron program isn't afraid of playing anyone?
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Post by gridiron58 on Sept 23, 2017 8:28:17 GMT -5
Last word received was Huron still had not committed to playing Shelby in 2018. Pretty sure the others have. The much bigger issues is none of their players will get any league honors. They knew this was a possibility but rolled the dice and it didn't work out for them. I was under the impression that the mighty Huron program isn't afraid of playing anyone? I would be fine if all the SBC schools told Shelby to take a hike. They clearly never wanted to be part of the SBC and jumped at the first chance to bolt..... don't let the door hit you on the way out!!
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Sept 23, 2017 9:18:57 GMT -5
SBC: Hey, Shelby, welcome to our new league. I know nobody else would take you, so we did you a solid. For football, you are no longer going to play league games against the schools you have been playing for 70 years. Also, your average drive to these games will be longer
Shelby, one year later: We want out.
SBC: How dare you have the nerve to join and leave at the first opportunity you get??
Some of you guys are being a little dramatic. I understand if the SBC schools are mad to some extent, but if you don't want a puppy to bite you it's best you don't hit it.
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Post by kingmartinez on Sept 23, 2017 10:05:35 GMT -5
SBC: Hey, Shelby, welcome to our new league. I know nobody else would take you, so we did you a solid. For football, you are no longer going to play league games against the schools you have been playing for 70 years. Also, your average drive to these games will be longer Shelby, one year later: We want out. SBC: How dare you have the nerve to join and leave at the first opportunity you get?? Some of you guys are being a little dramatic. I understand if the SBC schools are mad to some extent, but if you don't want a puppy to bite you it's best you don't hit it. Shelby wanted to play in the Bay division for football. They just didn't want to for everything else thus the Vermilion switch. They were upfront from the beginning that the SBC was not a long-term fit. Everyone knew that. The only issue was a two-year wait because everything had been scheduled. From the sounds of it, it's not as easy as you may think to "unschedule" and find new opponents, especially in a less than eight team league/division. They said they were not waiting two years (FB) if they could get into the MOAC next year, which they already were planning on for all other sports (besides FB). The SBC has precedence with St Mary's and staying in the conference for only one sport (FB). SMCC was denied and so was Shelby. You're in or you're out. Shelby rolled the dice and it didn't work out for them. It will be a distant memory after next year.
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Post by A no.1 on Sept 23, 2017 12:52:12 GMT -5
LOL @ some SBC schools complaining about Shelby leaving. Like those schools were really looking forward to making that drive to Richland County. GTF out of here! Enjoy your mega conference and the non stop complaining SBC schools will make about divisions and cross-over games.
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Post by gridiron58 on Sept 23, 2017 12:59:49 GMT -5
SBC: Hey, Shelby, welcome to our new league. I know nobody else would take you, so we did you a solid. For football, you are no longer going to play league games against the schools you have been playing for 70 years. Also, your average drive to these games will be longer Shelby, one year later: We want out. SBC: How dare you have the nerve to join and leave at the first opportunity you get?? Some of you guys are being a little dramatic. I understand if the SBC schools are mad to some extent, but if you don't want a puppy to bite you it's best you don't hit it. Shelby: Hey, SBC, will you please let us join your league because there is nowhere else for us to go? SBC: Sure, you are approved to join our league. Shelby, one year later: We are leaving, but can we still play league games until it suits us? SBC: No. Shelby: Oh, that is so unfair!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 13:11:56 GMT -5
SBC: Hey, Shelby, welcome to our new league. I know nobody else would take you, so we did you a solid. For football, you are no longer going to play league games against the schools you have been playing for 70 years. Also, your average drive to these games will be longer Shelby, one year later: We want out. SBC: How dare you have the nerve to join and leave at the first opportunity you get?? Some of you guys are being a little dramatic. I understand if the SBC schools are mad to some extent, but if you don't want a puppy to bite you it's best you don't hit it. Shelby: Hey, SBC, will you please let us join your league because there is nowhere else for us to go? SBC: Sure, you are approved to join our league. Shelby, one year later: We are leaving, but can we still play league games until it suits us? SBC: No. Shelby: Oh, that is so unfair! Shelby was asked to join
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Post by gridiron58 on Sept 23, 2017 13:12:09 GMT -5
LOL @ some SBC schools complaining about Shelby leaving. Like those schools were really looking forward to making that drive to Richland County. GTF out of here! Enjoy your mega conference and the non stop complaining SBC schools will make about divisions and cross-over games. The big issue I think people have is with a school commiting to join a league and then announcing they are leaving before they ever even played one game. Shelby did it with the SBC, Calvert did it with the SRL. There is just no integrity. It's the attitude of "this is what we are doing, the hell with whoever we screw over".
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Post by gridiron58 on Sept 23, 2017 13:19:24 GMT -5
Shelby: Hey, SBC, will you please let us join your league because there is nowhere else for us to go? SBC: Sure, you are approved to join our league. Shelby, one year later: We are leaving, but can we still play league games until it suits us? SBC: No. Shelby: Oh, that is so unfair! Shelby was asked to joinMy bad.... that changes everyting! SBC: Hey, Shelby, would you like to join the SBC? Shelby: Yes please. SBC: You are approved to join our league. Shelby, one year later: We are leaving, but can we still play league games until it suits us? SBC: No. Shelby: Oh, that is so unfair!
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Post by galion on Sept 23, 2017 13:27:56 GMT -5
So you wanted to date the girl that you knew was interested in somebody else. You just didn't believe that they would ever be interested in her. So you figured you could just treat her however you wanted. Throw them in the division, away from their longtime rivals and with significantly more travel. Then it turns out that the other guy was interested in her after all. You can't be mad that she left you that's on you.
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Post by A no.1 on Sept 23, 2017 13:36:01 GMT -5
Shelby: Oh, that is so unfair! Unfair? Who cares? Except maybe you. Shelby made the correct move leaving that train wreck SBC and the constant state of instability with that goofy division setup.
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