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Post by greenman on Sept 23, 2017 22:10:58 GMT -5
I've never heard of these schools playing in the modern era. If they have at all, you might have to go back a half-century or more to find it. Shelby wins.
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Post by greenman on Sept 23, 2017 22:09:24 GMT -5
Here goes:
Calvert Sandusky PC Lakota Bellevue Clyde Shelby BC Vermilion Margaretta
Tie-breaker: 49 pts.
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Post by greenman on Sept 23, 2017 22:07:26 GMT -5
This will be a blowout at Bob Bishop. Losing to Bay Division teams is bad enough; the Pirates have been nearly shut out by each one. If Ziegler doesn't choose to seek greener pastures, he'll get a pass for this year, but not for next year.
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Post by greenman on Sept 23, 2017 22:04:55 GMT -5
Polar Bears will win this one. Both of these teams' one win comes against an FC opponent (with M'ville still being the better of those two, IMO), and I think the Bears caught the Eagles napping week 3.
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Post by greenman on Sept 23, 2017 22:01:19 GMT -5
Who voted Columbian in the poll? A real knee-slapper, that is.
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Post by greenman on Sept 23, 2017 17:40:23 GMT -5
Back to life, back to reality ...said the Willard fan. Can't imagine why that was even necessary - as PC fans finally have reasons to cheer, they, as a Bay Div. contender, get beat by a long-time SBC powerhouse. Good thing you beat Plymouth!
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Post by greenman on Sept 23, 2017 14:03:28 GMT -5
This will be an 0-10 year. Any lingering hopes about a chance against Columbian can be put to bed.
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Post by greenman on Sept 22, 2017 19:38:44 GMT -5
^^^^ For some of the kids playing tonight it was a whole different lifetime. They weren't around yet. I think that's true for all of them. This year's seniors were born in '98 at earliest, and this was around '96 or '97 - I only know that because it was before Perkins first made the playoffs, losing to Aurora in the first round in '98. Some of their younger coaches were in diapers still, I imagine.
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Post by greenman on Sept 22, 2017 13:45:32 GMT -5
Ontario used to go to a large indoor track meet at Eastern Michigan U. Winning it once and placed high a couple of times. Once during a relay the announce said, "Leading going into the bell lap is the team from Ontario Canada". LOL, that would be one heck of a big school. There's a town on the Ohio side of Ohio River just North of Weirton called Toronto, I've always thought 2 should play each other. If only the two schools were a good size match, that'd be fun! I remember ages ago, I was helping my uncle scout potential playoff rivals for St. Paul, and we went into hill country to watch Toronto @ Cadiz. Later, we watched Toronto get beat by Delphos St. John in a snowy, early-round playoff game. Itty-bitty towns w/ itty-bitty schools. Cadiz High doesn't even exist anymore; it was consolidated into Harrison Hills CSD with Jewett-Scio and Freeport Lakeland in '99. It feels like a whole different lifetime since then...
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Post by greenman on Sept 21, 2017 4:42:11 GMT -5
The talent isn't there like it was in the early 2010s, certainly. It's been some time since I've been @ Perkins, so there may have been some growing up done by most of the classes playing varsity now. Really, I imagine it's somewhere in between everything: kids giving their best and still falling short, kids who don't sufficiently respect their opponents, and kids who believed that winning was just a given because "Perkins."
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Post by greenman on Sept 20, 2017 20:59:04 GMT -5
Yeah, piratefan that was more than a little harsh. One thing I notice about most bad teams is that they tend to have at least one stud that does all he can to keep things respectable. If Perkins does have a stud this year, I've never seen his name in print. Pirates were .500 last year after several years of strength - this was not altogether a surprise. Back in the day, a Pirate conference championship in FB came about once or twice a decade. Every team experiences this. Perkins, too, is still lucky. You'd be surprised at how many teams - in Ohio, in the country - go their entire history without so much as a conference championship, to say nothing of those that go without playoff appearances or state titles. The old SBC - the eight-team league that existed between 1986 and 2013 - reaped a great abundance of football playoff appearances thanks to Clyde, Oak Harbor, Huron, Margaretta, and Perkins. Even SMCC was able to make playoff appearances at the very beginning and nearer the end of that span. Calm down.
I can tell you this from classroom experience with some of these kids just a few years ago; this is not really a surprise. Teachers were worried about what their classroom behavior would evolve into years ago. This is just the public face, the harvested fruit of what they've known for a while about these two or three classes.
Also: I was pretty certain I knew who you were, piratefan, but Birdman's question to you threw a wrench in that. I was certain the two of you were closely related.
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Post by greenman on Sept 20, 2017 12:11:35 GMT -5
Ross, to me, makes just as much sense as Columbian or any other Seneca Co. school, if not more. Fremont's on the Sandusky River, which flows into the Sandusky Bay. SJCC is already there. Between the old Ross and new Perkins rivalry, Sandusky would have a good ol' time, at least, and not just on the gridiron. Woodmore would then be the only Sandusky County district outside the conference (and before consolidation, Elmore was a longtime SBC member). The "numbers game" should only really be a concern for the Willards, SMCCs, Danburys, and Margarettas of this world. There's no Lake Div. football program that's in real danger of falling off. Sure, things in the Lake Div. would get a little bloody at first, but it could, with time, mold the division into one of northern Ohio's premier athletic conferences. Let's sharpen our swords, lads.
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Post by greenman on Sept 19, 2017 1:45:16 GMT -5
Hoping for a good game. This new alignment is just goofy. It wasn't to long ago Margaretta was the best team in the SBC and even SMCC, wasn't a easy win. Clyde- 34 PC- 21 Margaretta, and really the far-western rural end of Erie Co., has endured a sharp fall, and it really didn't seem to draw out for a long time.
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Post by greenman on Sept 19, 2017 1:34:12 GMT -5
Wynford: Only loss against Liberty-Benton, Carey's games against CC and Bucyrus were both closer than the Royals'. Otsego: Both 3-1, opponent quality in wks 1-4 means Knights will win (IMO).
Carey def. CC, 27-14 (+13). Wynford def. CC, 44-36 (+8). Otsego is 3-1. Genoa is 4-0. Of course I Screw that up. I'm going to go ahead and switch those, then.
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Post by greenman on Sept 19, 2017 1:32:38 GMT -5
If that's the case, that's absurd. It makes you wonder, then, if it's for the sake of "Catholic school unity," or making sure that all those small schools don't have any scheduling issues, or what. It also makes you wonder why the other three schools aren't bound to that same rule (anymore). It wouldn't surprise me, though, if you're correct. If you're question is why SMCC, SJCC and Calvert don't play each other in a round robin OOC schedule, the answer would be because they already play each other in a round robin SBC River Division schedule. What I should have written was "Why was that round-robin non-con schedule broken in the first place around '08 if it's something the diocese wanted?" Obviously now it's a moot question. Questions that, for me, aren't moot remain: 1.) Why would the Toledo diocese Dept. of Cath. Ed. feel the need to weigh in on the high school football schedules of its parochial schools? The details of the athletic schedules seem a little out of even their province. 2.) If indeed they did want to control decisions that far down the line, why wouldn't they do what's best for each program, and either try to maintain a fragile one or grow an ascendant one?
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Post by greenman on Sept 18, 2017 9:13:48 GMT -5
It's not Livengood's call to play the Holy Trinity. That is coming directly from the diocese to my knowledge. If that's the case, that's absurd. It makes you wonder, then, if it's for the sake of "Catholic school unity," or making sure that all those small schools don't have any scheduling issues, or what. It also makes you wonder why the other three schools aren't bound to that same rule (anymore). It wouldn't surprise me, though, if you're correct.
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Post by greenman on Sept 17, 2017 21:20:00 GMT -5
Let's see:
Calvert Vermilion Huron Shelby Oak Harbor, or the School of the Blind, or whoever is lining up across from my Pirates this year. Clyde Lakota Bellevue - I still believe, Shelby aside Woodward Edison
Tiebreaker: 48
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Post by greenman on Sept 17, 2017 21:12:46 GMT -5
I remember nearly sh!tting a brick when I first saw news of last year's win by PC. Unfortunately, I don't see it happening again. Streaknation has it, though; good on the 'Skins for still wanting to play with the big boys after the realignment. As a Perkins alum, I for one am relieved that Beau Carmon's boys won't get the opportunity to slap around the undisciplined crew that wear black and white this year.
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Post by greenman on Sept 17, 2017 21:08:05 GMT -5
My best showing ever, and who mucks it up? I think the Trojans have it out for me, God only knows how. I picked Danbury to bury them in week 2, considering how the Lakers did last season. Boy, was my face red!
Week 5:
Crestview: Cougars hung tougher with Hillsdale than the Mounties. Pharmer and Hartley can move like lightning, but if the Mounties come with the same level of discipline they had at M'ville, those big-yardage penalties will erase any good those two can do.
Monroeville: Maybe the Eagles will get a breather this week. Maybe...
WR: This one could be the closest game of the week.
SP: Really?
Carey
St. Henry
Clyde: Hard luck for a talented PC squad in getting big, bad Clyde in a crossover, but the 'Skins will give them a fight.
Genoa
Archbold
Lex
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Post by greenman on Sept 17, 2017 20:37:47 GMT -5
Greenman - I also don't see St.Paul doing this, but it would benefit them if they did. They could always schedule Monroeville every year non conference. Til the past two years, they whipped on the Eagles as they have everyone else. Since Ringholz (sorry if misspelled) retired the Eagles have fallen off and the games against the Flyers just not the same. Rivals by past seasons but not a rival type game. Id like to see week 3 game with these two IF St.Paul did leave. Again we both know they wont, but again would be better off, in football and girls volleyball, to head towards the SBC. Other sports they probably would get smoked. True it could benefit them by growing the program, but in my experience, that's not at all what St. Paul wants. Separating them from Monroeville as conference rivals would be akin (to them) to trying to make OSU-UM a non-conference game - neither side would have any of that. MHS and SP will always be FC archrivals, and neither school will have it any other way than to play each other Week 10. The tides of winning and losing between the two are actually quite meaningless. Separating them as conference rivals also means the possibility of not playing each other in some of the other sports they share - volleyball chief among these. Monroeville volleyball has not been sleeping lately. Totally unacceptable to both sides, maybe Monroeville more. More importantly, the NSP community has no interest in change. It's not that they're happy being the toughest fish in a tiny bowl; just the thought of having to compete for an uncertain conference crown would lead to a full mutiny. It's good to be the king. Besides the steady Flyers, the FC for the last 10+ years has been utter crap football. Fortunes among all the others have risen and fallen through the years like normal; a year or two for Monroeville here, a few years for Western there, sprinkled in with some good ball from Crestview somewhere in the years between. The final gun on week 10 will mark their 5th consecutive Sure, giving that up would mean they could have a chance to grow the program. They could start playing better teams than Fremont St. Joe's and freaking SMCC. Teams like SMCC, St. Joe, Margaretta, and Willard all bet the future of their programs on the new SBC because without it, their football programs would likely wither on the vine. St. Paul doesn't have that problem, and their program isn't endangered. Here's where I do agree with you, though: their most challenging game of this campaign has already been won at Tiffin. Right now, Crestview and Monroeville are, like last year, the only two teams in any position to challenge their claim to the throne. This year will be different than last, though. There will be no need for holding their breath at Crestview , and no slugfest with Monroeville at Whitney Field. Last year, either team or both could have knocked NSP from their perch. This year, I'm certain the moment is passed. They will cut a swath through the rest of the FC - and considering the garbage ball that most of the conference is playing, it will once again fail to prepare the Flyers for a deep run into the playoffs, and will make reaching the title game more and more difficult as the years go by without them adapting to the times. First things first, Livengood has to seriously re-examine why the Flyers need to wail on SMCC and St. Joe's every year. It used to be tradition for the local Catholic schools would play each other in a round-robin scenario for non-conference play through the 90s and into the early 00s. Times change, though, and what was fine in the 90s doesn't work anymore; NSP is the only school that played that old, familiar schedule this year. An emerging rivalry w/ Huron was squashed, although I imagine it was due to the scheduling needs of the new SBC. The Tigers took the last 5 of the total eight games the two played, and although Huron's victory margins decreased with each year, I doubt the Flyer faithful lost much sleep dropping a potential spoiler to what would otherwise likely be another unblemished regular season. That, as we both agree, is a problem. There's greater potential for growth in adversity, but they want none of it.
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Post by greenman on Sept 17, 2017 4:12:39 GMT -5
Unless a school like Seneca East (another neighbor) makes the move to the SBC then discussions about a fourth 6-team division (smaller schools) starts to take shape...could get interesting. Some of you might have seen my recent post in the FC/N10 forum that described a scenario that could stabilize the whole area... the only things it's missing is that yearly Gibsonburg vs Gibsonburg matchup: Maybe the SBC could help their own situation by absorbing the N10 when they bring in Ross, Genoa, Woodmore & Firelands... although this messes with the 5-county footprint some... Lake: Sandusky, Perkins, Norwalk, Clyde, Bellevue, TC, Upper, Ross (maybe Galion instead) Bay: PC, OH, Vermilion, Huron, Edison, Bucyrus, Genoa, Firelands River: Calvert, SJCC, SMCC, Danbury, Gibby, Margaretta, Woodmore, Lakota Creek: Buckeye Central, Carey, Colonel Crawford, Wynford, HL, Seneca East, Mohawk, Willard There you go... a nice tidy 8-8-8-8. Though I must admit that the River & Creek are more assigned geographically than strictly by size. And I don't know how enrollments stack up for Upper & Firelands (and Galion). Even so, this alignment would keep Willard & Margaretta in with smalls, pull the bigs out of the N10, keep Bay teams from having to move up to the Lake, tighten geography for the smalls, and stabilize the whole shebang. Everybody's happy. And of course we can make a nice, easy transition to 8-8-8-8-8 when the SBC folds in the FC en-masse as the Stream Division. ;-) I dunno, 2112. Taking away that Gibsonburg v. Gibsonburg matchup will leave some fans with a bad taste in their mouths. How can a River Div. championship really be decided w/out it, anyway?
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Post by greenman on Sept 15, 2017 23:34:10 GMT -5
As the Firelands conference is the most stable after all these years, it might be time for St.Paul to make that move. Gotta be boring and not challenging enough to cake walk each year in football. Doesn't prep them anymore for playoffs. Heck tonight alone, up 56-0 at the half on the road in their FC opener. That will never, ever happen, especially if we're talking about St. Paul. The history and tradition there is far too important for most of those teams - Plymouth, Crestview, and Mapleton have the least history in the conference, but the distance would be a non-starter for them, at least. As for St. Paul, they will never want to be in a conference without Monroeville, and will never settle for playing them on any other week than 10, to say nothing of not playing them at all. Vice-versa applies. More tellingly, I feel, neither the coaching staff nor the community want the challenge. My mother could tell you so with more authority than I could, but I feel I know enough to say that without second-guessing. Before they won the week 10 game last year at M'ville, they were very unhappy at the thought of the Eagles, of all teams, threatening their crown. Years ago, on the old forum, we discussed - and eventually dismissed - the possibility of Western jumping to the SBC. It's more unlikely now than it was then. Having been around FC fans for a while now, between my Flyer alumna mom and working at M'ville schools, I think I might "get" some of their mindset: not a lot of attention is paid to the world outside when it's gametime. For example, Monroeville and Perkins have always been nextdoor neighbors. Once upon a time, Perkins was a farm school like M'ville. These days, Monroeville kids know some Perkins kids, and go into Perkins Twp. for the same reasons lots of people go there - shopping, dining, etc. However, to the majority of the Perkins schools population, Monroeville (the village and the school) could be as foreign as the surface of the moon. FC fans watch the new SBC take shape, but don't put too much stock into it for themselves. For them, it's never been about growing the brand into a larger area; they don't need to win the non-con games, as long as they can beat on each other.
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Post by greenman on Sept 15, 2017 23:15:23 GMT -5
Wild one in Monroeville, fun to watch.
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Post by greenman on Sept 13, 2017 20:17:35 GMT -5
I seem to remember discussions on the old NOSF around the same time. Perkins started open enrollment at the same time Sandusky implemented pay to play (not suggesting intentionally). It was a perfect storm. Then a year or two later Perkins had to start pay to play as well. Someone from up north with more information can either confirm or correct me. Sandusky has never had pay to play. If that was the case, we wouldn't have sports. I didn't believe that, either. I imagine the community would have declared war on the district. This time period was just before Sanders was hired as Supt. and began the revitalization of the schools - including rebuilding the bonds between the citizenry, civic gov't., and the schools - and I'm sure Blue Streak nation wouldn't have tolerated any of that sort of thing at that point in time.
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Post by greenman on Sept 13, 2017 20:14:25 GMT -5
It's balanced out quite a bit, yes. We opened our enrollment in 2009, and were unprepared for the flood. Around 300 and change signed up for the first year, mostly Sandusky. The next few years were no different. We made more room yearly, and there would still be a waiting list to start the school year 50+ deep after we'd taken in all we could take for the year. I wonder how much of what happened in the classrooms in the immediate aftermath of open enrollment can account for what is happening now on the field. What I mean by that is that we were promised the "old Perkins discipline" in the classroom would remain - it was one factor in the school's attractiveness to people outside it. Fast-forward three years down the road, and it was the people making that promise were talking out their arses. Ironically, it's Perkins' inability to maintain that discipline in the face of out-of-control numbers, that have sent many back to their home districts or on to still other ones. There weren't too many complaints about the discipline when the team was going to the playoffs, with a lineup that included key contributors from players that were open enrolled from other districts You wouldn't hear them unless you spoke to some of the braver teachers in a private setting (the only place they dare talk about anything thanks to administration - though that isn't unique). Either that, or you could work in the schools yourself. Some of those "key contributors" were, at times, prohibited from leaving the classroom for any reason without the teacher putting a call into the main office so either the Principal or VP could escort them there and back. This was thanks to their repeated abuse of the privilege of being allowed to leave class during class time.
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Post by greenman on Sept 12, 2017 3:37:39 GMT -5
Rock was a better motivator than they have now, but everyone forgets he had 3 terrible seasons @ New London before he arrived. How can you say he had 3 terrible seasons @ New London??? New London Coach: Rocky Farlow Season 1993 Record 7-3 NL Opp Northwestern 24 0 Firelands 31 14 Fremont St. Joe 7 26 Western Reserve 46 6 Plymouth 6 8 Monroeville 6 13 St. Paul 28 20 Crestview 45 9 South Central 54 0 Mapleton 40 21 Season 1994 Record 10-1 Coach: Rocky Farlow NL Opp Northwestern 37 0 Firelands 41 0 Fremont St. Joe 54 6 Western Reserve 7 0 Plymouth 27 12 Monroeville 42 6 St. Paul 52 10 Crestview 72 14 South Central 52 8 Mapleton 57 14 Wauseon 6 24 Div. IV Regional Semi-Final @ Fremont Season 1995 Record 10-2 Coach: Rocky Farlow NL Opp Smithville 14 0 Firelands 34 13 Oberlin 44 8 Plymouth 35 12 Monroeville 20 17 St. Paul 21 24 Crestview 20 7 South Central 53 20 Mapleton 27 18 Western Reserve 40 22 Clearview 27 6 Div. V Regional Semi-Final @ Lorain Waynedale 13 16 Div. V Regional Final @ Lorain 27-6 in 3 years at New London is pretty impressive! This has not been a good week for the Fact-Checking Dept. @ Greenman Industries, Inc. I had always been told by certain people he'd gone nearly winless during his time at NL. This was years ago, years before info like this was at everyone's fingertips. I think maybe I tried to find it once while I was still in HS, just after he was let go. I don't believe I found anything - I've never believed anything else, but don't remember ever looking for the info again.
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Post by greenman on Sept 11, 2017 23:21:50 GMT -5
If you can read you can understand like I said before I'm not writing essays this is sports talk .....................freaking punctuation nazi Asking for the bare minimum in elementary composition does not a "freaking punctuation nazi" make. What you write goes largely unread because no one wants to break out their O2-to-English dictionary to decipher what you have to say. It's just easier to ignore it all and avoid the inevitable headache that may end up not being worth it anyway.
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Post by greenman on Sept 11, 2017 23:07:00 GMT -5
I could see what Mac was doing when he first came to coach at Norwalk. Mac was trying to get the boys to learn how to win when he was playing schools like Keystone, Clev. John Hay's and other teams like that but now these kids know how to win and I agreed we should not be playing schools like Margaretta. Norwalk is not the worst team in the lake. The losses they have wasn't by much. It could have gone either way against Edison and Port Clinton and if that had happen Norwalk would be 3-0 right now. Yes I agree that we should be playing teams like Avon, Avon Lake, Amherst Marion Steel, Mansfield Sr. and teams like that but I am not the head coach or the A.D. And until then we have to go along with it. Maybe one of these days it will be turned around and we will be playing schools like those above and maybe you guys will be playing the small teams. It might be happening now because I saw that our JV team on Aug. 27 played at Wadsworth. So maybe they might be starting to do something about our schedule. Does anybody know what the score was at that game? I wouldn't be too upset about it. I don't imagine the coach or the AD at Norwalk is too terribly happy about having to crossover @ Margaretta either, and I know Margaretta isn't up for it. They beat a Monroeville team that was missing a senior center blocking and an experience QB behind him, but they didn't look much better than the team they beat. Not a good game overall at Castalia on Fri., btw. PA announcer treated every Bear first down like a TD - which is fine, really - but he didn't call a single thing for Monroeville. Not "didn't call them with enthusiasm" - he didn't announce anything Monroeville did - literally. No names behind tackles, runs, sacks, passes (compl. or atts.), not even that they happened! It's like he imagined the Bears were running against nobody. It became obnoxious. We had to guess among each other who did what after the dust settled.
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Post by greenman on Sept 11, 2017 18:28:44 GMT -5
10 years ago wasn' t Perkins getting a lot of transfers from Sandusky? When Sandusky joined the NOL and now the SBC with smaller schools and enjoyed more successes, has the stream of transfers slowed down? It's balanced out quite a bit, yes. We opened our enrollment in 2009, and were unprepared for the flood. Around 300 and change signed up for the first year, mostly Sandusky. The next few years were no different. We made more room yearly, and there would still be a waiting list to start the school year 50+ deep after we'd taken in all we could take for the year. I wonder how much of what happened in the classrooms in the immediate aftermath of open enrollment can account for what is happening now on the field. What I mean by that is that we were promised the "old Perkins discipline" in the classroom would remain - it was one factor in the school's attractiveness to people outside it. Fast-forward three years down the road, and it was the people making that promise were talking out their arses. Ironically, it's Perkins' inability to maintain that discipline in the face of out-of-control numbers, that have sent many back to their home districts or on to still other ones.
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Post by greenman on Sept 11, 2017 18:18:57 GMT -5
Good luck. I'm rarely able to read O2's missives. It's like reading the thoughts of someone on a SERIOUS caffeine high. this is sports talk we are not writing essays!!!!!! No one's asking for an essay. No matter what length you write, you can always input some punctuation in what you have to say to make it legible. Basic elementary composition should take care of that. No matter what we're discussing, if it interests you, wouldn't you want to be understood? Those multiple, unnecessary exclamation points are the first bit of punctuation I've known you to use, so here's your gold star: ![](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcJH0dBpj__gDF5mIvrjWcXP5dfreb_235JgDHXxQhdefuxxd4TQ)
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