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Post by moneyball on Feb 22, 2018 14:26:14 GMT -5
Teachers are underpaid, based on what data? This isn't the 90s any longer and most teachers are well compensated for their work. Most teachers in this area are paid in the $60,000-75,000 range. The higher ups are $85,000-95,000. I'm not talking cities of 50,000-100,000 people, I'm talking cities with 10,000 or less people. There are 84 teachers, guidance counselors at our school making $65,000-$85,000 and most are working 184 days, do the math. I literally spit my coffee out reading this. To make that kind of money a teacher has to of been in a school system 20+ years. The average starting salary for a teacher in this country is $36k and average salary is $56k. It is public information and fact, all you have to do is request it and it is yours no matter what city you live in. Did you about spit your coffee out because you think it is untrue or shocked that they are actually making this kind of salary?
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Post by moneyball on Feb 22, 2018 11:18:01 GMT -5
Here’s something that nobody has mentioned. Are teachers under paid? Extremely. Now we want some to take more licensing? More responsibilities on top everything else they have to do? Are we going to pay them more? Where’s that money coming from? The rural and urban schools in Ohio have to pinch pennies as it is. Are we going to ask for more dang levies to offset new costs? I personally wouldn’t have a problem with a few teachers strapped, but it adds up to it isn’t going to happen Teachers are underpaid, based on what data? This isn't the 90s any longer and most teachers are well compensated for their work. Most teachers in this area are paid in the $60,000-75,000 range. The higher ups are $85,000-95,000. I'm not talking cities of 50,000-100,000 people, I'm talking cities with 10,000 or less people. There are 84 teachers, guidance counselors at our school making $65,000-$85,000 and most are working 184 days, do the math.
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Post by moneyball on Feb 21, 2018 12:20:58 GMT -5
The process I see would include the question if any staff already holds the CC and go from there. If there are then some specific training would need to be added to allow a weapon in a school building.(IMO) I do know of teachers who have their CC and it does not take away from their ability to teach. Having a principal, assist principal or dean of students walking the halls with a sidearm would not take away from their educational duties but could change the mind of a kid from carrying out a terrible act. I think Texas is on to something here: Protection of Texas Children Law that was passed in 2013. The law allows districts in the state to create “school marshals” for campuses. Those marshals are usually employees at campuses. To become a school marshal, those employees must undergo extensive active shooter and firearms training with the state. They must also undergo a mental health evaluation. They receive a school marshal designation by the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement and must renew their license every two years by undergoing the same training and evaluation.
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Post by moneyball on Feb 17, 2018 9:28:31 GMT -5
I see a lot of opportunity to improve when it comes to this situation. I'm a true believer in gun rights and I carry a gun myself, ccw. I think communication between the school and parent/guardian is a must. If a child is going through situations and needs help, the teachers and staff need to be thoroughly trained to identify those situations and be professional about it. The staff cannot blow this off and not give it the attention it deserves. The parent/guardian needs to be counselled on options for the child and what can be done to get that child back on track. It is absolutely critical that the parent/guardian have just as much ownership in the child's development as the school. The school guidance counselors need to be on top of troubled actions by students, especially if there are trends. Every time there is a situation like this you hear "there was so many signs", yet it still happens. Kids are bullied by other kids and kids are bullied by teachers. Teachers can be bullied by other members of the staff and even by students. The situation is a serious one and the rules and guidelines need defined and everyone needs to be held accountable. If a child is disruptive and cannot be counselled back to a productive young adult that is when outside help is needed. Many schools have psychologist on staff to address these major issues and they work hard to help kids turn their live's around. Many of these kids are in horrible situations and as a school and community it is our responsibility to try and help each student feel safe and welcome at school every day. One word can bring a kid back from not wanting to go on to wanting to change their life for the better.
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Post by moneyball on Feb 16, 2018 12:55:56 GMT -5
What would be the untruth you are claiming when you are repeating what was said. Another attempt to try and start an argument. You could ask him over the last 10 years how many of his school's junior high or freshman teams were league champs and then see how many trips to regionals his school has had. As said, over the last 10 years I have seen many schools have had good or great junior high teams. But in today's sports, it is the normal for something to go off course before it turns into a trip to regional. Youth success rarely is directly connected to varsity success. Some schools or coaches today try to get wins by simplifying their schedules instead of getting better by playing more games against good teams. An 8th grade team loaded with talent may supply 4 seniors to a varsity roster with only 2 starting. This happens at many schools. Good point in your two last sentences. I do think that with buzz and success comes a greater number of players taking interest and going out for teams. It starts with good leadership and holding true to values that build a strong foundation.
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Post by moneyball on Feb 15, 2018 11:44:30 GMT -5
My apologies it was Moneyball no idea if that’s a kid mother or brother but here is s cut and paste of the quote when Willard was 2-1 in the league I believe... "Willard has a chance to win their league. Huron, Vermilion and E bench for some scoring. They are looking good right now." No argument here port, this is the same person that said this will end up be the being the best Willard team of all time. Yes if you want to bust on those quotes I have no defense. I think you have me mistaken for someone else. I never stated being the best Willard team of all time. If you can find that quote from me I'll eat crow, but it wasn't I that stated that comment. I did state I thought they had a chance to win their league earlier in the year, but unforeseen circumstances put a damper on that.
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Post by moneyball on Feb 14, 2018 10:41:04 GMT -5
Sure has been quiet lately from the Willard faithful, where they been? Odd statement. Ain’t like Flashes fans been on here woofing about being any good. Well except moneyball but I don’t think they are serious. At least I hope not. n I believe they have started to build a better foundation. they are very young and i think if the situation with the one player would not have happened they would have been much better this year. they will be better next year and the year after they will be really good. i see numbers spiking over the next couple years. i’m sure thencoaching staff will assess this year and look for opportunities to improve. good seeing kids going out that haven’t played in the past. good things on the hoizon.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 29, 2018 22:38:16 GMT -5
So educate us. Why would the “farmers” like this levy and the “retirees”? That comment in the paper struck me as odd because the article in the paper was basically stating we need these people to vote this in. I think there are other ways to fund this because you are talking $1.9 million every year with this levy, not just one year. What does the additional $1.9 million every year going towards? The extra $1.9 million goes to a fund to buy you and Donna a one way ticket to Timbucktoo for the rest of your lives. Have a nice trip Dave. [br I will send you my banking info or just make the check out to cash, I like cash, untraceable.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 29, 2018 22:36:42 GMT -5
bballfrenzy,yeah thank goodness the voters got that right or we could have had Wyandot and moneyball. Time out time out i call foul. I was shafted and demand a recount. The deck was stacked against me and rod told me i was a shoe in. i don’t know what happened.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 29, 2018 15:35:48 GMT -5
Everyone who lives in the school district and has a job will pay the income tax. School levies apply to school districts not just the city limits. So educate us. Why would the “farmers” like this levy and the “retirees”? That comment in the paper struck me as odd because the article in the paper was basically stating we need these people to vote this in. I think there are other ways to fund this because you are talking $1.9 million every year with this levy, not just one year. What does the additional $1.9 million every year going towards?
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Post by moneyball on Jan 29, 2018 14:30:57 GMT -5
Food for thought regarding the PAC......this was the plan of the Super and BOE all along. I have no dog in this fight, but the PAC if I remember correctly was talked about when Willard was building the school. I believe that a PAC is needed for the arts of a school, but this money could have been lumped in with the previous levy that passed for the school. It would have increased the amount coming from the community, but still could have been done. Instead Willard's leaders had planned on putting this cost back on the taxpayers, this is why it was not included in the previous levy. Also they could use their refund from the company that built the school in other areas. All you need to do is look at Galion gymnasium, they wanted more seats than the state would pay for. The community had to fund these additional seats, but the cost was built into the initial levy. [ That was brilliant on their part. They sold the cafetorium as a state of the art PAC and this never got legs until people started complaining about it 3-4 months ago, too cramped and sound system was not very good. It is easy to pass a levy when 1/2 the people voting are not impacted by the increase, thus the reason it was mentioned in the paper. I think a PAC is a good idea, just phase II, not phase I.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 28, 2018 13:48:38 GMT -5
Did you mean to say "yours"? Because yes, I have a great relationship with my wife Lara. The only couple in America with a better relationship is the POTUS! No, I got it right, you and I. I like Lara too, she is sweet.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 28, 2018 13:28:16 GMT -5
buckeyekid ...I agree with moneyball.....I think for every coach or every player that would be involved with this would gain not only a field house and a PAC but a work ethetic. in my opinion this generation is an entitled generation...how awesome would it be to involve them...it would not be an option but a requirement...it always seems to be the same parents and or kids that are involved in helping out at the school functions...I don't see moneyballs idea as anything other than common sense...I hope moneyball would approach Willard schools with this idea and they would listen. why do we need to always ask the public to increase taxes...how about we invest in the kids and families that this would benefit? I hope you'd agree with moneyball, it wouldn't be healthy for the relationship if you didn't. LOL! Probably not as good as ours 😉.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 28, 2018 9:14:16 GMT -5
That is a very Noble idea. I think you may be getting ahead of yourself a little bit though. Is there even a drawing of the field house? I have no idea what will even be in it once completed. For hypothetical purposes, if it does have all that, man that would be an incredible amount of time invested for a number of folks from the school to manage it. Your illustration shows 15 weekends, I don't think thats' gonna fly. There's also a pretty significant amount of people who feel an indoor pool should be on the wish list for the swim team. I guess once I looked at all the money pouring into sports related building projects that have already been done, I think it's a bit selfish to not consider the other part of the student body. I'm still all in on the personal side of investing in the future of the school and the kids, but I'm not going to decide for the School what gets done first and who pays for it. I was close to the project, even had input and was there when the two members of the boosters presented it to the School Board. They did their homework and had the plans and that is when cok stated they have to move on this. It is not selfish it is looking for ways to breath life back in this city. The PAC can be phase II and the pool phase III. This is about economic strategy and before you know it we have all three. The plans to pay for the FH were already established but now it is taking a back seat to the PAC and for the life of me I don’t understand the economics there. That would be like me telling you i’m going to give you free water from my reservoir to water your fields and you tell me you’d rather truck it in, that doesn’t make sense and it is bad for business.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 28, 2018 8:31:46 GMT -5
Wyandot--you want to-pay for a PAC with AAU tourney revenue? Good Luck Sir, I hope your weekends are free for the next 20 years, unless you have a bank ready to finance that scenario. Gonna have a tough time getting people to volunteer to run it too,, when they know none of the $$$ stays in the Athletic Dept. Buckeyekid, lets think this one through, you and I. If a field house is paid for by a portion of the schools left over $$$, donations from people like yourself and a portion from the boosters we could have it build in say, a couple years. The PAC could be a Four year plan for the school, this gives beebe time to raise her portion of the money, privately i believe she stated. So, the FH is built and the school can run massive tournaments, not just AAU BB tournaments, they can run volleyball, wrestling and even indoor track. The school gets the gate while the boosters gets the concession money. All teams are given one weekend to work. say you have 15 of these a year and the gate is $10k and concession is $5k, this gives the school $150,000 and the boosters $75,000. The money boosters makes goes back to the teams anyhow so the school uses their $150,000 to start building that bank for the PAC. Imagine the economic boom this could cause in this city with 1000 extra people here 1-2 weekends a month? .
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Post by moneyball on Jan 28, 2018 8:31:24 GMT -5
Wyandot--you want to-pay for a PAC with AAU tourney revenue? Good Luck Sir, I hope your weekends are free for the next 20 years, unless you have a bank ready to finance that scenario. Gonna have a tough time getting people to volunteer to run it too,, when they know none of the $$$ stays in the Athletic Dept. Buckeyekid, lets think this one through, you and I. If a field house is paid for by a portion of the schools left over $$$, donations from people like yourself and a portion from the boosters we could have it build in say, a couple years. The PAC could be a Four year plan for the school, this gives beebe time to raise her portion of the money, privately i believe she stated. So, the FH is built and the school can run massive tournaments, not just AAU BB tournaments, they can run volleyball, wrestling and even indoor track. The school gets the gate while the boosters gets the concession money. All teams are given one weekend to work. say you have 15 of these a year and the gate is $10k and concession is $5k, this gives the school $150,000 and the boosters $75,000. The money boosters makes goes back to the teams anyhow so the school uses their $150,000 to start build that bank for the PAC.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 27, 2018 17:34:43 GMT -5
Joe should see it so he doesn't get run off like long did.... not everyone one on here is a parent or grandparent of a kid on the teams but maybe a true basketball fan with knowledge and compassion for the sport....some of us may have coached in the past or put a lot of time in working with these kids to see it all fail because this school recycles coaches that have a need to be the next "bob haas" I sure hope joe does see this so he can save some trouble and cut the kids with parents who have insane complaints. Their is a huge difference in having youth league knowledge and high school program knowledge. I wouldn’t doubt, out of the 100 people who applied for Joes job(which truth be told was more like 20), probably close to 15 had below high school coaching experience but felt they were the answer to resurrect Willard basketball. Another guess would be you may have been one of them. Because you voice your opinion, that makes you a bad parent? sorry pal, that makes you a strong parent. Too many people in this community would rather step on someone instead of stepping over them. I personally don’t care if people fall off the face of the earth that care only for themselves. i want the weak to be cared for and those that can’t fight, i want to fight for them. The system is full of self serving people that want nothing but more, sad but true.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 27, 2018 17:29:05 GMT -5
Now it's keep the freshmen team together. Omg are you kidding me?!!!!!? I hope like hell Joe doesn't see this forum. Lol. Not that he would give two craps about the opinions of freshman or eigth grade parents. I'd say 99% chance everyone in Willard reads this forum in one form or another, and I also assume they wonder what planet most of us (myself included) are on. As far as the get involved comment I feel ya in spirit, however there's several people currently involved in hs sports that should not be. Some overevaluate themselves, some love the spotlight, some want to make sure they are in good position when their kids reach the varsity level. This is not a Willard comment don't read into it, it's an everywhere comment. Sometimes it's better if certain folks realize they are a negative and become less involved. Also on the flipside just because people don't want to coach or don't have the time to, doesn't mean they don't deserve to have an opinion. Far too many people say 'yeah well why don't you go coach' as a way to win an argument they are currently losing. If you're a fan, you pay tickets, you follow teams, you have decades of time & emotion into something you've got a right to your (respectable not bashing) opinion IMO. [ Scarlet, this is the best post i’ve read in a very long time. This is what makes this country great, everyone can express their opinion without fear of being jailed for it. I, for one appreciated this post.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 27, 2018 15:01:21 GMT -5
[br The levy is as good as passed. Ritz states “this is good for the farmers and the retirees will not be taxed.” So, why an emergency levy for a PAC but not one for a FH when it was brought up. I know Beebe is pushing but come on. This is an income tax? Worst school tax ever if it is. It is an EMERGENCY tax! What constitutes this to be an emergency?
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Post by moneyball on Jan 27, 2018 14:58:37 GMT -5
Maybe one stands out and as i said before, move that one kid up if he is exceptional. I read a story about a high school coach a while back and he said i dont play kids on varsity until they are at least juniors. I thought that was a little extreme until i read on. his philosophy was to let the younger kids mature both mentally and physically and learn from the upper grades. his program was not only successful it was featured on espn as one of the most successful programs in the country. he said success comes to thise committed to the cause, willing to put in more time than they want and trusting one another. Not saying he is right or my opinion matters more than others, but i like that philosophy. Again I think you need to stop thinking in terms of freshman,sophomore,jr and sr. In many small community sports programs players are jh then hs. Once in hs you put all the kids together and the best ones play varsity, then jv and if you have enough freshman you have a third hs team. If multiple freshman are moved up it may not be because they are outstanding. It could simply mean there is not enough older players in the program that are better. I agree, if you don’t have the numbers to field jv or varsity then don’t have a freshman team. if you do, again this is my opinion, you leave them down to develop the mental abilities for hs basketball.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 27, 2018 8:54:55 GMT -5
My point exactly, they aren’t winning so why do it. Like i said, if you have a standout that is understood. Stop thinking in terms of a standout and don't think of it as a freshman team. Once you enter high school all the kids are put in a gym TOGETHER. Are some of the freshman among the best players trying out for basketball. If the answer is yes to the coaches, they are put on a team. Like Scarlet said, in many places this is not even a debate. Maybe one stands out and as i said before, move that one kid up if he is exceptional. I read a story about a high school coach a while back and he said i dont play kids on varsity until they are at least juniors. I thought that was a little extreme until i read on. his philosophy was to let the younger kids mature both mentally and physically and learn from the upper grades. his program was not only successful it was featured on espn as one of the most successful programs in the country. he said success comes to thise committed to the cause, willing to put in more time than they want and trusting one another. Not saying he is right or my opinion matters more than others, but i like that philosophy.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 27, 2018 6:38:07 GMT -5
It's not instant gratification for a coach who is trying to put the best players in the program in position for his team to win. Freshman are still freshman regardless of what team they play on and winning freshman games does not gain anything with other schools are moving their freshman up. Like every one does. My point exactly, they aren’t winning so why do it. Like i said, if you have a standout that is understood.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 26, 2018 23:32:04 GMT -5
The point i’m arguing is if you have a very strong freshman team what does it hurt to leave them all together so they can continue to play together? Once they hit the jv as sophomores they are much more mature and then you have a very successful jv team. juniors, thats the time you’ll see these kids blossom and show why it was important to keep them together as freshman and sophomores. you split all these kids up and they lose and lose they will start losing interest. You would be hard pressed to find a D3 program in the state that carried 3 teams with a very strong freshman class that kept that class together if the jv and varsity teams had poor records. That's the problem with this entire country, instant gratification is what is desired. Again, if you have a superior freshman move him up but don’t move 5 freshman up at once and split up a very strong and talented freshman team. Having the patience to weather the losing storm until they hit sophomores or juniors would pay huge dividends, IMO.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 26, 2018 22:49:59 GMT -5
I agree with WF on this one rebuilding or not if they are good enough to play at a higher level they should. Not saw many freshman ready for varsity in my days. Again, if you are a special talented kid that is the exception.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 26, 2018 22:19:59 GMT -5
You are missing the point. The idea to keep a group of kids together that have tremendous chemistry is something that is hard to do becauae you want to take a couple players you think will help you win now and move them up. The problem is they are not helping that varsity team win so why not keep the juniors on the varsity and play a majority of the freshman at freshman and possibly let a few play a few quarters of jv. splitting them all up weakened the freshman all together. Steve Smith Orville, Bob Haas Willard, Greg Nossaman Willard, Gregg Collins Lexington and Mansfield Senior, Rob Sheldon Willard, Steve Gray Norwalk, Joe Balogh Ontario. ALL very good coaches with over 400 wins and/or State Championships. Know them all. What do you have, other than a a Freshman son? They would all tell you that you are a neophyte. NONE would hold back a player, slow their development, stymie a players growth. NONE of them have ever "kept a class together for team chemistry". ALL of them have played Freshmen on varsity. If you believe your silly hypothesis then you wouldn't want any of these Freshman playing varsity next year either Gotta keep them all together on JVs for DOUBLE the "team chemistry". Ontario has a very good Freshman class this year, Better than Willard's Freshman class. They beat Willard last year in the NOL Title game by 20. One is a starter on the Varsity averaging 10 points/game. One is a starter on the JV team averaging close to 20 PPG. Both would be hurt tremendously playing Freshman ball. ALSO, it gives 8 good players on the Freshman team a lot more minutes playing time, in more significant roles without the 2 best players in the class being held back, hurting their development. Your "point" IS NOT worthy of consideration. Ask Bob Haas. None of these coaches you mention were “rebuilding” programs so your response is nothing more than a tangent. Go back to sleep old man. BTW, ontario freshman class is not better than the willard freshman class, that was coaching that won that game and i’ll give you credit there.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 26, 2018 18:04:17 GMT -5
no worries man, it'll all work out in good time. [br The levy is as good as passed. Ritz states “this is good for the farmers and the retirees will not be taxed.” So, why an emergency levy for a PAC but not one for a FH when it was brought up. I know Beebe is pushing but come on.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 26, 2018 17:59:37 GMT -5
To all the Willard gents, if you would follow the Huron Tiger way of doing things you’d never be in this position. We can provide you with insight on what to do next if you’d like. Go Tigers! Lets hear it.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 26, 2018 17:20:12 GMT -5
A special kid like that comes along once in a great while 😉. moving 3 kids up at once, not in agreement there. I was thinking of Pinkston, hes playing where he should in my eyes, keep the rezt of them together on the JV team [br I would say he is one of those special kids.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 26, 2018 17:10:49 GMT -5
The point i’m arguing is if you have a very strong freshman team what does it hurt to leave them all together so they can continue to play together? Once they hit the jv as sophomores they are much more mature and then you have a very successful jv team. juniors, thats the time you’ll see these kids blossom and show why it was important to keep them together as freshman and sophomores. you split all these kids up and they lose and lose they will start losing interest. I disagree, I think you play the athletes at the level they're capable of, plain and simple. JV and Varsity ball are completely different than Freshman ball from a speed and strength standpoint, the sooner they adapt, the better. A special kid like that comes along once in a great while 😉. moving 3 kids up at once, not in agreement there.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 26, 2018 16:54:19 GMT -5
So is someone trying to argue that winning a freshman game is more important than playing the best kids at the highest level? The point i’m arguing is if you have a very strong freshman team what does it hurt to leave them all together so they can continue to play together? Once they hit the jv as sophomores they are much more mature and then you have a very successful jv team. juniors, thats the time you’ll see these kids blossom and show why it was important to keep them together as freshman and sophomores. you split all these kids up and they lose and lose they will start losing interest.
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